United Air forcibly removes passenger on overbooked flight

[SMiller]

Anyone interested in reading "the rest of the story" from the other side of the incident? According to this, United was constrained by federal law to remove a passenger, the passenger was chosen at random, other passengers disembarked without causing a disturbance, but this man felt he was special and that the law did not apply to him so h ran back on to the plane after he was escorted already escorted off. It suggests we consider what would happen if anyone else ran through security because we did not want to obey legal TSA/federal orders. It is worth reading.

https://thepilotwifelife.wordpress....thoughts-from-a-pilot-wife-about-flight-3411/

Seems to me this was just another case of a man thinking the law did not apply to him and snowflake got warmed up.

So you get the **** knocked out of you and dragged down a isle because of it?


There has been many confirmed cases of the airline throwing big money vouchers at people to get them off, the airline could have easily done this, not as if they pay out on these vouchers anyways...

 

[Fizzerpilot]

According to the airline, this is what came before the cameras... apparently he went berserk in the ticket area, and ran past the agent, back to the aircraft, which is a no no...

He originally accepted the offer to volunteer and got off the plane on his own. Then when they told him the flight would be tomorrow, he went crazy and ran back onto the plane screaming and yelling and then became a security issue. He was asked politely by flight attendants and United gate agent to leave the plane again, he refused…security was called….the police asked him to leave and he refused again, he then spit at officers and tried to take swings at them before the cameras started rolling. Then, the cameras show the portion that makes him look like a victim. He then “played dead” and told his wife in Chinese to start recording and pretended to be unconscious and knew he could file a lawsuit based on that being on tape and him looking like a beat up victim

 

[Fizzerpilot]

So you get the **** knocked out of you and dragged down a isle because of it?


There has been many confirmed cases of the airline throwing big money vouchers at people to get them off, the airline could have easily done this, not as if they pay out on these vouchers anyways...

I think spitting in the officers faces, and taking swings at them had something to do with him being pulled out.

One morning as we were departing DFW, we lined up on the runway, received our takeoff clearance, and immediately received a call from the cabin. Apparently a man who had been drinking heavily all night, was still intoxicated and was becoming an issue. So, we pulled off and went to the gate to drop him off. We had the police there just in case he wasn't happy about it. Oh, we also had an FAA inspector on the jumpseat... This moron takes swings at the police and comes at me and tries to take a swing at me. I'm not sure if he has flown since, but the Fed said he would make his air travel future very difficult.

The FAA is pretty damn powerful. Throw in Homeland, Air Marshalls... I personally wouldn't go ****ing around at an airport, or on an aircraft... they take that stuff pretty seriously nowadays.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

All for being skeptical of the initial footage, but also would like to see major skepticism on things that the airline in question says. Both sides are going to try and protect themselves, and the airline has the most to lose. Let's not buy every detail of every story 100%.

 

[churchmouse]

So you get the **** knocked out of you and dragged down a isle because of it?


There has been many confirmed cases of the airline throwing big money vouchers at people to get them off, the airline could have easily done this, not as if they pay out on these vouchers anyways...

Have you paid any attention to the thread. It has been pretty much outlined as to why he was tuned up.

Let me ask you what your reaction would be to his spitting and swinging at you if you were in this position. Just curious as I know what mine would be.
Not knocking your comments just looking for perspective.

 

[churchmouse]

According to the airline, this is what came before the cameras... apparently he went berserk in the ticket area, and ran past the agent, back to the aircraft, which is a no no...

He originally accepted the offer to volunteer and got off the plane on his own. Then when they told him the flight would be tomorrow, he went crazy and ran back onto the plane screaming and yelling and then became a security issue. He was asked politely by flight attendants and United gate agent to leave the plane again, he refused…security was called….the police asked him to leave and he refused again, he then spit at officers and tried to take swings at them before the cameras started rolling. Then, the cameras show the portion that makes him look like a victim. He then “played dead” and told his wife in Chinese to start recording and pretended to be unconscious and knew he could file a lawsuit based on that being on tape and him looking like a beat up victim

This makes perfect sense to me. Hence his hanging onto the cell phone.

 

[Fizzerpilot]

This statement came from someone involved, but who also has no dog in the fight. The man made it to the terminal, and when I say he went berserk, I mean he was screaming for someone to kill him. Unhinged. And, FYI, bad idea to run back past an agent, down the jet bridge, to the aircraft.

For the record, I cannot access the aircraft without checking in with the gate agent. I personally feel like that is BS, but my feelings don't trump the FAA and Homeland. Cooperate and graduate.

 

[churchmouse]

This statement came from someone involved, but who also has no dog in the fight. The man made it to the terminal, and when I say he went berserk, I mean he was screaming for someone to kill him. Unhinged. And, FYI, bad idea to run back past an agent, down the jet bridge, to the aircraft.

For the record, I cannot access the aircraft without checking in with the gate agent. I personally feel like that is BS, but my feelings don't trump the FAA and Homeland. Cooperate and graduate.

This is not part of the news casts I have seen on this incident but it makes sense.

 

[Fizzerpilot]

Couple this behavior with his documented psychological issues... I'd think he is going to have a rough time in court if tries to sue them. They will probably say... look, you can pursue this lawsuit, and we will pursue ours. Difference being the airline has statements from LEOs, airline officials, and the weight of the FAA and Homeland behind them. He has more to lose. The airline can absorb a payout, the PR war is already lost. How much is he willing to wager, taking into account t his antics?

 

[PistolBob]

Seems United has been doing a smear campaign, and the Dr. they kicked the dookey out of isn't the drug dealing homo they said he is. Apparently United has mistaken his identity...all those Asian names look the same.

This story just keeps getting better. Now that United is the most hated company on the planet, I have to wonder what the CEO of Comcast will do to regain the top spot.

 

[Fizzerpilot]

This is not part of the news casts I have seen on this incident but it makes sense.

Becuase the "news" gets its facts from Twitter and Facebook.

I had a pretty spectacular diversion a little over a year ago, luckily we ended up in a tiny hick town in Arkansas, so coverage was light. I Googled my flight number for weeks, waiting to see some crazy inaccurate crap to surface. It never did.

 

[Fargo]

According to the airline, this is what came before the cameras... apparently he went berserk in the ticket area, and ran past the agent, back to the aircraft, which is a no no...

He originally accepted the offer to volunteer and got off the plane on his own. Then when they told him the flight would be tomorrow, he went crazy and ran back onto the plane screaming and yelling and then became a security issue. He was asked politely by flight attendants and United gate agent to leave the plane again, he refused…security was called….the police asked him to leave and he refused again, he then spit at officers and tried to take swings at them before the cameras started rolling. Then, the cameras show the portion that makes him look like a victim. He then “played dead” and told his wife in Chinese to start recording and pretended to be unconscious and knew he could file a lawsuit based on that being on tape and him looking like a beat up victim

Do you have a cite for any of this?

 

[Fizzerpilot]

Internal incident reports, are never published.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Internal incident reports, are never published.

Again. Skepticism. Please have it.

 

[Fizzerpilot]

I'm equally skeptical of police just brutally stripping a man from his seat. Typically if something seems too spectacular to believe, it is... and there is missing information.

Believe what you will, but typically the most plausible answer, is the answer. I don't care what anyone believes, just giving counterpoints to a lot of misinformation, or complete lack of understanding. In the end, our opinions don't matter. I'm betting the security cameras in the terminal will be used if this goes to court.

Again, the source of this report, has no dog in the fight... and if they make this claim, you bet the security footage will be requested.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Again, the source of this report, has no dog in the fight... and if they make this claim, you bet the security footage will be requested.

Yeah, I'm guessing whatever is on the inevitable security footage will put a stop to the furor, whatever it shows.

Last I heard the guy was lawyering up... so maybe we'll see it soon.

 

[churchmouse]

Again. Skepticism. Please have it.

I am a huge skeptic. 3 weeks from now more will come out or it will all be lost in the news cycle.

 

[Fargo]

Internal incident reports, are never published.

Except by you?

 

[PistolBob]

Having been personally screwed over by United Airlines on three different trips, I am fully qualified to say they suck pond scum through a dirty gym sock. I would walk to Hawaii before I'd ride one of their flying hell holes there....which is really hard to do since I can only hold my breath for about a minute.

 

[cobber]

According to the airline, this is what came before the cameras... apparently he went berserk in the ticket area, and ran past the agent, back to the aircraft, which is a no no...

He originally accepted the offer to volunteer and got off the plane on his own. Then when they told him the flight would be tomorrow, he went crazy and ran back onto the plane screaming and yelling and then became a security issue. He was asked politely by flight attendants and United gate agent to leave the plane again, he refused…security was called….the police asked him to leave and he refused again, he then spit at officers and tried to take swings at them before the cameras started rolling. Then, the cameras show the portion that makes him look like a victim. He then “played dead” and told his wife in Chinese to start recording and pretended to be unconscious and knew he could file a lawsuit based on that being on tape and him looking like a beat up victim

This statement came from someone involved, but who also has no dog in the fight. The man made it to the terminal, and when I say he went berserk, I mean he was screaming for someone to kill him. Unhinged. And, FYI, bad idea to run back past an agent, down the jet bridge, to the aircraft.

For the record, I cannot access the aircraft without checking in with the gate agent. I personally feel like that is BS, but my feelings don't trump the FAA and Homeland. Cooperate and graduate.

Internal incident reports, are never published.

So according to this internal incident report which is never released (except you just did):

1. he deplanes voluntarily and unbloodied
2. he goes berserk in the terminal
3. he runs back onto the plane past the ticket agent
4. he then takes his seat back and the police materialize and order him off the plane
5. he calls his lawyer, no longer berserk, and calmly refuses to get off the plane Daily Wire
6. the police drag him out of his seat and he strikes his head
7. the passengers then video him being dragged out of the cabin like a sack of potatoes, bloodied
8. the passengers criticize the police for their actions
9. he then runs back on the plane a SECOND time, now bloodied, and hangs onto the curtain divider
10. he is removed again (no video, but presumably UA managed this as their employee reportedly boarded and took the still-warm seat)
11. the CEO of United accuses him of being belligerent
12. the dirt comes out on the doctor's history, but may be the wrong guy
13. despite the corporate push-back, UA loses the PR battle du jour
14. the CEO of United apologizes, abandoning the narrative he was pushing previously

The 'report' you cited only has him coming back on the plane once, but passenger videos clearly show him running back onto the plane, bloodied. That makes two times he gets past the UA agents.