Tucson, We Have a Problem

[E5RANGER375]

Duh, no...Nor does he own any.



Eh, I take that back. He might be one of those "for hunting purposes" guys, but I'm certain he doesn't own an semi-auto firearm, since there'd be absolutely no need.

so him owning a barrel shroud is out of the question then?

 

[Benny]

so him owning a barrel shroud is out of the question then?

I don't know...Bolt actions can get pretty hot sometimes and you wouldn't want to burn someone that accidentally touches it.

 

[96firephoenix]

Ancient Greece had a system where if you prosecuted a man and lost, you got the sentence you were trying to mete out.

I think people would be a lot more careful if we had something like that going on. You make an error with a no-knock, you personally pay the damages. You kill someone wrongly in a no-knock, say hello to Osama for me.

I'm a Christian, so they don't have much to worry about from me. I will never initiate violence, esp. since I'm not even sure violence in self-defense is the correct course.

I'm a Christian as well, and you will see me blow someone's head clean off before you see me let my family or someone innocent get hurt. In Christian (and secular) philosophy there is a principle called the Principle of Double Effect. The PDE states that an evil act can be done with good intentions so long as the evil act is not the direct will. e.g. killing someone is an evil act. Your will when someone breaks into your house is to protect yourself and your family. As long as you leave room in your mind to do that without killing them (i.e. saying lay on the floor or I'll shoot you and then waiting for the cops to come), you can bear no moral responsibility. Thus, you are committing an evil act without evil intent. It gets a little complicated when you talk about other more complicated issues, but in a nutshell, PDE says killing someone in self-defence is OK so long as your will is the preservation of your own life rather than the taking of another life.

if anyone has questions for me about the above, please make a new thread and/or PM me.

 

[jdhaines]

I'm a Christian, so they don't have much to worry about from me. I will never initiate violence, esp. since I'm not even sure violence in self-defense is the correct course.

Or you could stop worrying about the man in the sky and the title and make your own damn decisions about your safety and the safety of your family rather than parroting a bastardized version of rhetoric. If you bring violence to me, I'll meet it equally. One of my favorite quotes is from Il Duce in Boondock Saints 1: When asked how far they were going to take this [the killing]...he replied with

The question is not how far. The question is, do you possess the constitution, the depth of faith, to go as far as is needed?

I like to think of it that way, albeit without the faith part for myself.

 

[ATOMonkey]

so him owning a barrel shroud is out of the question then?

You mean the shoulder thing that goes up?

 

[PatriotPride]

I've looked at this 100 ways. If the police get my house wrong and there's a no-knock, I'm dead. My own home defense plan is the same as his, send my wife and daughter to a closet and meet the intruders with my AR-15.

If they break the door down and I'm standing there with a rifle and I see they're cops so I don't shoot, they'll shoot me because I'm holding a rifle. If I shoot a cop before I realize who they are, retreat to another room, drop the rifle and wait for them - well, history teaches us what will happen. I won't get a chance to surrender.

A no-knock warrant for someone prepared to defend themselves is a death sentence. Which is exactly why there should be yes, I'm going to say it - zero tolerance for mistakes on no-knocks.

I have not seen it explained it any clearer. Fantastic post!

Do you have a soul?

Honest question.

+1! Don't expect an honest answer, but a good question nonetheless.

 

[2A_Tom]

To all those not afraid to claim Christianity.

Remember Janet Napolitano.

I am a Cristian, I carry, I will protect my family and those who are threatened in my presence.

 

[PatriotPride]

To all those not afraid to claim Christianity.

Remember Janet Napolitano.

I am a Cristian, I carry, I will protect my family and those who are threatened in my presence.

I gladly claim it.

 

[E5RANGER375]

You mean the shoulder thing that goes up?

yep thats what i meant. i said the wrong thing.

 

[serpicostraight]

with the recent ruling here doing away with the 4th how long before this is a daily event here?

 

[PatriotPride]

with the recent ruling here doing away with the 4th how long before this is a daily event here?

Not long at all.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

O.K., Barnes did not "do away" with the Fourth Amendment just the right to resist.

Now, apparently the cops are FINALLY talking:

SWAT team attorney reveals details of May 5 shooting - KGUN9 On Your Side, Tucson News, Weather & Sports

Man, the cops just did not handle this one correctly.

 

[dross]

Hey, they found a picture of Jesus Malverde. What more do you people need? Apparently such a picture was on the list of items on the warrant. I'm glad they got this picture before he could destroy it. At least now we understand why they had the raid.

Jesús Malverde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hornadylnl]

Hey, they found a picture of Jesus Malverde. What more do you people need? Apparently such a picture was on the list of items on the warrant. I'm glad they got this picture before he could destroy it. At least now we understand why they had the raid.

Jesús Malverde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's worse? A picture of Jesus Malverde or a tshirt with gang emblems on it?

 

[dross]

What's worse? A picture of Jesus Malverde or a tshirt with gang emblems on it?

Apparently, a picture of Jesus Malverde. Going just by the final results, I mean. Emphasis on "final."

 

[Benny]

I agree that this was handled horribly, but what is up with the articles of police clothing?

 

[RockofStrength]

Ok, read the article...apparently using counter-surveillance against suspicious people who are clearly spying on you is "suspicious" itself.


...wait, what?

 

[hornadylnl]

What's the address to Fletcher's Memorium?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLllFMF-OkQ[/ame]

 

[dross]

I agree that this was handled horribly, but what is up with the articles of police clothing?

Yes, that sounds a lot like blue pants with a stripe and a blue shirt, doesn't it?

I hope it's not black cargo pants and a pair of black lace up boots.

 

[Benny]

Yes, that sounds a lot like blue pants with a stripe and a blue shirt, doesn't it?

I hope it's not black cargo pants and a pair of black lace up boots.

Fair point.