Trump 2024 ???

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Was it intentionally spreading disinformation if Trump didn't believe it was disinformation? It's all a question of mindset. Was it an unlawful act trying to convince Pence to test an untested legal theory? The persecution has to prove that they were intentionally trying to commit an unlawful act.

Depends on the jury.

 

[KG1]

Depends on the jury.

if they were to convict Trump according to their mindset it would be wrong. The only thing that should matter is Trump's mindset. Not that of the persecution and not the jury.

Once again, the persecution would have to have actual proof that Trump believed in his mind that there wasn't any illegitimacy of the vote, and he went ahead anyway to act in an unlawful manner. By all indications Trump truly believe that there was illegitimacy and he acted in such a way to seek remedy for that including testing legal theories promoted by his legal counsel.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

if they were to convict Trump according to their mindset it would be wrong. The only thing that should matter is Trump's mindset. Not that of the persecution and not the jury.

Once again, the persecution would have to have actual proof that Trump believed in his mind that there wasn't any illegitimacy of the vote, and he went ahead anyway to act in an unlawful manner. By all indications Trump truly believe that there was illegitimacy and he acted in such a way to seek remedy for that including testing legal theories promoted by his legal counsel.

You/re describe ‘ought’. I‘m pointing to the politics. The prosecutors, especially the commie in Atlanta that comes to mind, are a reflection of the people that vote for them. They will likely comprise the jury that will hear the case. If the mindset of the prosecutor reflects that of the jury, the people that voted for her, I don’t expect Trump to be found ‘not guilty’.

 

[KG1]

You/re describe ‘ought’. I‘m pointing to the politics. The prosecutors, especially the commie in Atlanta that comes to mind, are a reflection of the people that vote for them. They will likely comprise the jury that will hear the case. If the mindset of the prosecutor reflects that of the jury, the people that voted for her, I don’t expect Trump to be found ‘not guilty’.

I also believe that politics will lead to at least getting one conviction. That's why there has been a slew of different indictments in order to increase the odds. Ultimately any conviction will also have to hold up to scrutiny on the appellate level all the way up to SCOTUS.

This is where Trump's fate will be decided if he isn't acquitted.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I also believe that politics will lead to at least getting one conviction. That's why there has been a slew of different indictments in order to increase the odds.

I do too. The odds are not good for Trump.

 

[KG1]

The odds of being acquitted on all of the indictments are practically nil especially in today's politically charged environment.

 

[DadSmith]

 

[BugI02]

Looks like Trump haters are trying to say he committed acts of inciting insurrection simply because in their opinion it has all the earmarks of one and that's good enough to disqualify him.

I think this issue needs to be resolved by SCOTUS and not just by some political decree issued by Trump haters to rid themselves of Trump by any means.

A SCOTUS rendering should be the binding method. The only problem being is a matter of timing. States can remove Trump's name from the ballot and there wouldn't be time to remedy that before the election so people can vote for him in the event that SCOTUS rules in favor of a Trump challenge.

The answer might be to have a 'friendly' (red) state make the attempt, to provide the time and standing necessary to bring the matter to trial before the election. That state, if trustworthy (always a big if) could then reverse course at a later time and keep him on the ballot

 

[KLB]

I think people are too hung up on whether he lied or not. Proving fraud is much more than just lying.

 

[BugI02]

So Trump shouldn't have questioned the election because it would give his political demonizers rope to hang him with? What kind of reasoning is that for not contesting the legitimacy of an election?

jamil wanted him to hang himself with that rope, I guess. Not sure what the alternative is he thinks Trump should have pursued - roll over and take it because 'we're better than that'?

 

[BugI02]

Questioning an election is one thing. Intentionally spreading disinformation, and pressuring a VP to do unlawful activities to keep you in power is a different thing.

Who has proven that the election being stolen was 'disinformation'? What legal precedent established that the VP could not reject a slate of electors that was in dispute within the state that supposedly empowered it? What court declared doing so would be illegal, a priori, and on what grounds?

Everybody has one and they all stink

 

[KG1]

I think people are too hung up on whether he lied or not. Proving fraud is much more than just lying.

Apparently, Jack Smith agrees.

Special Counsel Jack Smith is very careful to make clear that Trump had a right to speak publicly about the election and even to claim falsely that there had been outcome-determinative fraud, and that in and of itself is not a crime.

In Trump's mind though his claims were not fraudulent. He truly believed in them, and he acted accordingly. Once again this is where mindset comes into play in order to determine criminal intent.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Who has proven that the election being stolen was 'disinformation'? What legal precedent established that the VP could not reject a slate of electors that was in dispute within the state that supposedly empowered it? What court declared doing so would be illegal, a priori, and on what grounds?

Everybody has one and they all stink

Nobody has proven it was stolen. Every theory about it being stolen has lacked credibility. Trump and Stacy Abrams can pretend they won, but they didn’t.

 

[BugI02]

Nobody has proven it was stolen. Every theory about it being stolen has lacked credibility. Trump and Stacy Abrams can pretend they won, but they didn’t.

Some stink worse than others

 

[KG1]

Determining fraud is based on an actual act of someone knowingly lying and committing an act in furtherance of a lie. In Trump's mind he wasn't knowingly lying. He truly believed his claims to be true. You need both to get there.

 

[BugI02]

They'll probably subpoena all of the INGOers who are always telling us what Trump is thinking or why he does something, 'cause they'll need mindreader to offer testimony about what Trump REALLY thought

 

[Ziggidy]

Nobody has proven it was stolen. Every theory about it being stolen has been ignored.

I think that fits better

 

[DragonGunner]

Seen where Trump said no more mask or jab mandates. We will not comply or follow mandates. Says when back in office he will cut funding anywhere where they try and mandate them.

 

[BugI02]

Maybe some on INGO have heard of Charles Hurt

Trump vs. ‘American Carnage’

For as long as anyone can remember, politics in America has been a game of charades.

www.washingtontimes.com

Some inside Washington [and INGO] now scoff at Mr. Trump for not accomplishing enough of his agenda — which is hilarious if you think about it. None of these people has ever accomplished anything except giving your money to their friends, and then they attack Mr. Trump for not accomplishing more.

For the record, Mr. Trump cleared the path for a robust economy, bolstered domestic energy production, started no new wars, delivered peace in the Middle East and proved to both parties once and for all that it really is possible to seal the southern border.

Which is why they will stop at nothing to destroy him.

Two impeachments, a disputed election and four indictments later, Mr. Trump is still swinging away. And so far, voters are not distracted.

 

[foszoe]

Maybe some on INGO have heard of Charles Hurt

Trump vs. ‘American Carnage’

For as long as anyone can remember, politics in America has been a game of charades.

www.washingtontimes.com

Who on INGO has taken your money and given it to their friends?