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    Tombs

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    I have foreign friends that believe this next election will not happen. Do they see or no something that we are not allowed to see?

    Because in most countries, the citizens have lived through a dictator or party taking over their government. Even Ukrainians are witnessing it first hand as elections are outlawed and opposition political parties are banned.

    People keep saying it can't happen here, but keep forgetting that they were forcibly kept from working, traveling, and getting medication already. And now protesting is all but entirely banned, unless you want to face indefinite detention without a trial for speaking out against those in power.

    The clock is ticking down to an inevitable outcome unless people start taking matters seriously. Getting wrapped up on abortion, identity politics, or any other distraction is a fool's errand at this point. There's one singular subject that matters, whether we're going to continue forward as a constitutionally founded republic or surrender it all to the highest bidder. We can worry about other matters once we actually have a functional system.
     

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    It raises the question: If you have the real deal, why vote for an imposter? Why support a return to the establishment Republican Party, which relishes war, champions globalism and continually loses elections to a Democratic Party intent on destroying conservatism and the values many Americans hold dear?

    Mr. Trump — despite his personality flaws — delivered more economic prosperity for the country in four years than the Obama-Biden administration did in eight.
    That’s why Mr. Trump doesn’t need to attend the Republican primary debates: He — and he alone — already has a record that speaks for itself.
     

    Ingomike

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    Here it begins. He will win the primary but lose the election. They will get at least another five SOS's to follow along and thats how its done.



    Soros is a smart guy no matter what you think of him, he set out 15 years ago, or so, to elect SOS and DA’s across the country, spent millions to do so and now here we are…
     

    KG1

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    That’s because he isn‘t being demonized for daring to question the legitimacy of the election, he’s being criminally prosecuted for trying to make an illegal end-run around it.
    That "illegal end run" amounted to Trump's attorneys such as Eastman, Clark, Cheesboro and Guliani asserting that they were doing their jobs and are entitled to zealously advocate on behalf of their client which gives them leeway to promote untested legal theories in order to achieve a desired outcome for their client.

    Such as, Vice President Mike Pence having the authority to reject the counting of electoral votes while there was still a dispute as to the legitimacy of the election in a number of States legislatures.

    Trump and his attorneys then ran with that untested legal theory to try and convince Pence that he had that authority even though Eastman privately acknowledged that he anticipated the Supreme Court might unanimously dismiss a legal theory he advanced that then-Vice President Mike Pence was entitled to reject the counting of electoral votes.

    Pence then confided with his own attorneys, and they advised him that in their opinion he did not have that authority. He then rejected Trump and his legal team's theories and went with the advice of his counsel.

    Seems to me that they were both relying on the advice of their respective counsel. In my estimation Trump's legal team was merely trying to promote an untested legal theory to try and achieve a desired outcome for their client and Trump decided to run with that theory and they believed the worst that could happen was that the courts would reject their untested legal theories as well. That's usually how it works when deciding on untested legal theories. The court either accepts them or rejects them and that's the end of it.

    Here is an interesting article that delves into the boundaries of advocating for untested legal theories relating to the J6 case and when it potentially crosses the line.

     
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    KG1

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    The Dems (with help from some Repubs), looking out for law/order and democracy by stating that the mere accusation against Trump means that he can't run.
    No need for a trial.



    Looks like Trump haters are trying to say he committed acts of inciting insurrection simply because in their opinion it has all the earmarks of one and that's good enough to disqualify him.

    I think this issue needs to be resolved by SCOTUS and not just by some political decree issued by Trump haters to rid themselves of Trump by any means.

    A SCOTUS rendering should be the binding method. The only problem being is a matter of timing. States can remove Trump's name from the ballot and there wouldn't be time to remedy that before the election so people can vote for him in the event that SCOTUS rules in favor of a Trump challenge.
     
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    KLB

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    Looks like Trump haters are trying to say he committed acts of inciting insurrection simply because in their opinion it has all the earmarks of one and that's good enough to disqualify him.

    I think this issue needs to be resolved by SCOTUS and not just by some political decree issued by Trump haters to rid themselves of Trump by any means.

    A SCOTUS rendering should be the binding method. The only problem being is a matter of timing. States can remove Trump's name from the ballot and there wouldn't be time to remedy that before the election so people can vote for him in the event that SCOTUS rules in favor of a Trump challenge.
    I hope it doesn't have to reach the SCOTUS. That will just feed the trolls on the other side.
     

    jamil

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    You're missing the real take away from the message which is Trump has been demonized for daring to question the legitimacy of an election when Democrats have done so in spades in the past.
    Trump isn’t being demonized for daring to question the election. He’s being demonized because the establishment does not want Trump to be president. Him questioning the election is just something the establishment can use against him in the realm of public opinion. He gave them the rope to hang him with.
     

    KG1

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    Trump isn’t being demonized for daring to question the election. He’s being demonized because the establishment does not want Trump to be president. Him questioning the election is just something the establishment can use against him in the realm of public opinion. He gave them the rope to hang him with.
    So Trump shouldn't have questioned the election because it would give his political demonizers rope to hang him with? What kind of reasoning is that for not contesting the legitimacy of an election?
     

    jamil

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    It’s hard to say if that’s an accusation or a battle plan being laid out. I’d like to hear the whole speech. Either is believable. However, looking at what’s happening in the world now, I suspect it may be both.

    Reality itself as we’ve traditionally known is is under unprecedented attack. Right is now wrong, wrong is right. Weaponizing government against political enemies. Artificial scarcities. Pushing an acceptance of pedophilia for **** sake! So if there is a program underway to undermine the West’s societal stability, it’s way more likely coming from ClownWorld™. In case anyone is wondering, that’s the far left. So the President of ClownWorld™ warns that the other side doing it. But it’s ClownWorld™ doing it.
     

    drillsgt

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    What she did, according to Comey's press conference, was indeed a crime. It wasn't fraud. And the law did not require intent. But nevertheless, she's too big to prosecute. And somehow Trump isn't. Which is why people believe there is a two-tier DoJ.



    I don't know about that. I'd just settle for applying blind justice evenly.
    She probably wasn't further pursued just out of political expediency, can you imagine the leftist media firestorm that would have occurred if after the election the Trump administration had gone after her? But of course now it's okay with the media to do it to Trump.
     

    jamil

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    So Trump shouldn't have questioned the election because it would give the political demonizers rope to hang him with? What kind of reasoning is that for not contesting the legitimacy of an election?
    Well he shouldn’t have tried that idiotic move with the electors. If he had just gone around claiming that the election was stolen, that’s free speech. He took it to the point where authorities could claim that it was him trying to seize power.

    He gave desperate hope to people like LG, that the mad cow of MSNBC had not been merely spreading propaganda, that her promises were true, that any day now, over the past few years, they would finally prosecute and jail Trump for something. Anything. Felony jay walking if they could get it.
     

    HKFaninCarmel

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    Well he shouldn’t have tried that idiotic move with the electors. If he had just gone around claiming that the election was stolen, that’s free speech. He took it to the point where authorities could claim that it was him trying to seize power.

    He gave desperate hope to people like LG, that the mad cow of MSNBC had not been merely spreading propaganda, that her promises were true, that any day now, over the past few years, they would finally prosecute and jail Trump for something. Anything. Felony jay walking if they could get it.
    Questioning an election is one thing. Intentionally spreading disinformation, and pressuring a VP to do unlawful activities to keep you in power is a different thing.
     

    KG1

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    Was it intentionally spreading disinformation if Trump didn't believe it was disinformation? It's all a question of mindset. Was it an unlawful act trying to convince Pence to test an untested legal theory? The persecution has to prove that they were intentionally trying to commit an unlawful act.
     
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