Trump 2024 ???

[manifest destiny]

I've lost all faith in election integrity.

 

[BugI02]

Regardless, republicans will need to up their ground game or they will lose in a close race. The same machine that helped beat them before is still out there and if anything stronger from it's past successes.

If they expend all their energy trying to game the people's choice, they deserve their 40 years in the wilderness

 

[BigRed]

I've lost all faith in election integrity.

That box is gone.

 

[jamil]

I've lost all faith in election integrity.

“election integrity” is an oxymoron.

 

[foszoe]

I really bought into the drain the swamp rhetoric in 2016.

When it didn't happen, ardent Trump supporters educated me on why it didn't happen.

At CPAC. Trump again was talking about firing.

Please call the Trump campaign and educate them too.

 

[manifest destiny]

I wish any one man could drain the swamp. Sadly, that's an impossibility. I think the only thing that brings an end to the swamp and the duplicitous pols that inhabit it will be national collapse. We'll buckle under our own bloated weight; with that will come some type of reset. The wrong president might speed the process up while the right president might slow the process down. But the course has been set.

 

[bwframe]

Trump said it in his CPAC speech. He has experience now. He learned the hard way, first time around.

Exactly what he needed to say.

 

[jamil]

Let’s say Trump wins the big chair in 2024. When 2028 rolls around and we post the statistics that show zero swamp drained, you guys gonna be mad? Make excuses? Claim 4D chess? Claim fake victories?

 

[foszoe]

Trump said it in his CPAC speech. He has experience now. He learned the hard way, first time around.

Exactly what he needed to say.

According to the explanation I received here, he didn't learn anything because it is an impossibility

I am willing to hear you out on how what I was told is wrong

 

[Ingomike]

One of the Liberal Media's Biggest Fears About Trump Resurfaced

townhall.com

 

[Magyars]

 

[Ingomike]

Trump more than 3 x ahead of GOP primary rivals in New Hampshire, poll

Trump received 58% support compared to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' 17%.

justthenews.com

Edit: for R45, I do not trust polls on controversial issues but they are interesting to see what is reported and or manipulated.

 

[BugI02]

Let’s say Trump [DeSantis] wins the big chair in 2024. When 2028 rolls around and we post the statistics that show zero swamp drained, you guys gonna be mad? Make excuses? Claim 4D chess? Claim fake victories?

Whither the obverse? Will it be Trump's fault somehow because being POTUS is nothing like being governor of a state with a republican legislative majority? Will DeSantis claim he didn't know what treatment he should expect? Can I get on his case because he doesn't fix everything in his first 100 days?

Do Trumpers OWE you a chance to fail spectacularly? If Trump is re-elected, when 2028 rolls around it will be 'Ron who?'

 

[Ingomike]

Can I get on his case because he doesn't fix everything in his first 100 days?

The bar has been set on 100 day accomplishments…

 

[BugI02]

Leaving this here for jamil

The Media's Dishonest "No Evidence" Standard

There is a price to be paid for such irresponsible behavior: barely forty percent of Americans have faith in the media.

tippinsights.com

 

[jamil]

Whither the obverse? Will it be Trump's fault somehow because being POTUS is nothing like being governor of a state with a republican legislative majority? Will DeSantis claim he didn't know what treatment he should expect? Can I get on his case because he doesn't fix everything in his first 100 days?

Do Trumpers OWE you a chance to fail spectacularly? If Trump is re-elected, when 2028 rolls around it will be 'Ron who?'

Dude. Listen to yourself. This is not a cogent rebuttal. You don’t have the point you think you do. Any president who you vote for because of the promises made, and can’t get it done, deserves criticism for that. Doesn’t matter who it is.

I’d wager that if Trump wins and fails against, you’ll have zero issues finding an excuse. If DeSantis wins and doesn’t get it done, the excuses you would have found for Trump won’t even come to mind. That’s because you have an idol (not in the Biblical sense), not just a candidates you support.

If DeSantis makes promises and can’t deliver he deserves the same criticism Trump deserves if he fails. See Ann Coulter, for how to be consistent and hold your candidate accountable.

BTW, Trump only picked up the drain the swamp stuff because the crowds started chanting it. It was just a campaign ploy. Ain’t no swamps getting drained. Not by Trump. Not by DeSantis. And if the do promise it, they better ***damn well deliver on it.

 

[jamil]

Leaving this here for jamil

The Media's Dishonest "No Evidence" Standard

There is a price to be paid for such irresponsible behavior: barely forty percent of Americans have faith in the media.

tippinsights.com

Hey. Show me some evidence, make a well reasoned argument, and I can change my mind. Someone promises the Kraken and then folds like a lawn chair, and it’s just silly at that point to think you have any reason at all to believe in the Kraken.

You think instinct beats reason. If you don’t have a good model of reality you might be right on rare occasions for the same reasons a broken clock is right twice a day. And then you’re so impressed with yourself you start thinking you can intuit the truth every time rather than with solid information and reasoning.

 

[jamil]

The bar has been set on 100 day accomplishments…

And that’s ridiculous. What did he/she say he/she was going to do, and when did he/she say it would be done? Hold your elected officials feet to the fire.

If they promised it done in the first 100 days, and they don’t get it done, that’s a strike. If they didn’t say when, and they get it done in their term, that’s a win.

 

[Ingomike]

And that’s ridiculous. What did he/she say he/she was going to do, and when did he/she say it would be done? Hold your elected officials feet to the fire.

If they promised it done in the first 100 days, and they don’t get it done, that’s a strike. If they didn’t say when, and they get it done in their term, that’s a win.

The bar has been set, and set pretty high by the standard set in my lifetime, for what can be accomplished in the first 100 days.

No caveat's needed. Just do it.

 

[Ingomike]

Leaving this here for jamil

The Media's Dishonest "No Evidence" Standard

There is a price to be paid for such irresponsible behavior: barely forty percent of Americans have faith in the media.

tippinsights.com

I really like this articulation of a point I try to make often.

“Using evidence as the sole reporting standard can be misleading because, as in the Wuhan case, existing evidence may be deliberately hidden from public scrutiny. Sometimes, new evidence, such as the impact of school closings and mask mandates on children, comes to light. Concluding narratives based on insufficiently-known proof can be dangerous and lead to wrong policy choices.”

“If a reasonable person can believe a theory is probable, reporting standards demand that it should at least be subjected to the usual scrutiny of quality journalism. This would include interviewing multiple "experts" with opposing views and airing out both points of view, without bias. Let the public judge for themselves.”

The above is sorely missing from our media…