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    jamil

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    Because some don’t agree with you they “can’t see”. I rather see it as a distraction and tactic of the left to stop a force they do not want to deal with and to get RINO’s to parrot the narrative they set…
    That’s one way to “see” it I guess. Wait. I have an idea that will help me see things as you do.

    Wait a second here. This thing don’t fit all that well.

    Hold on. Almost got it…



    :tinfoil:



    There.

    Oh yeah. I see what you’re talking about now.
     

    jamil

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    Sure, he is what he is, warts and all. I do not focus on the warts, but the things he does we need. The leftists do not need the fodder they have proven they will just create it. That this topic is is discussed so much is proof. What was the last mean tweet you have seen? I have not noticed one in a good while, you know like the nasty Mika/Joe tweets? Have you seen any lately?
    Would it stick so easily if he didn’t act like the person they’re accusing him of being?
     

    Twangbanger

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    The math is being hidden in the "hidden ballot boxes". Do you actually believe Trump lost those states? PURE rhetoric from the left's playbook. The left steals elections and then blames Trump and many people on INGO (and outside INGO) are drooling to repeat the words of their leaders.

    Actually quite sad and disturbing.
    But you're missing the point. If they could successfully stymy Trump in 2020...how does he beat that this time? It's been conclusively proven that we lose the close ones. It's also been proven that Trump keeps it close. How does this candidate get out of that trap?

    I'm not denying it happened...I'm asking you, how does Trump get around it? He cannot draw enough votes to make it "not close."
     

    Ziggidy

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    But you're missing the point. If they could successfully stymy Trump in 2020...how does he beat that this time? It's been conclusively proven that we lose the close ones. It's also been proven that Trump keeps it close. How does this candidate get out of that trap?

    I'm not denying it happened...I'm asking you, how does Trump get around it? He cannot draw enough votes to make it "not close."
    I don't have that answer. What I do know is he was a pretty good president in spite of the attacks; and there were allot. I also know that at this time, he is the only candidate. We can continue the slaughter of Trump or try to figure out how to beat the opposition in this battle we are currently losing.

    The left, the rino's and the media are eating this up. They do not have to discredit Trump; all they have to do is sit back and watch the so called right do it for them.

    I have yet met or heard of a man who is perfect in every aspect (except for Christ). People want results yet when a man has given results in the past but has a bad mouth, all of a sudden he is not good enough. He has become so bad that whatever good he has done for his country is negated by bad tweets and whatever else they can drum up. It's actually sad.

    Yes, I am pro Trump. That will not change until someone else comes along who I think can do just as well or better. That has not happened yet so I will continue to support the best options that are right in front of me; at this point in time. For me to do anything else is playing right into the enemy's hand; and they know it. Why in the world would I even think about openly talking bad about the ONLY person at this time that might help?
     

    Twangbanger

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    I don't have that answer. What I do know is he was a pretty good president in spite of the attacks; and there were allot. I also know that at this time, he is the only candidate. We can continue the slaughter of Trump or try to figure out how to beat the opposition in this battle we are currently losing.

    The left, the rino's and the media are eating this up. They do not have to discredit Trump; all they have to do is sit back and watch the so called right do it for them.

    I have yet met or heard of a man who is perfect in every aspect (except for Christ). People want results yet when a man has given results in the past but has a bad mouth, all of a sudden he is not good enough. He has become so bad that whatever good he has done for his country is negated by bad tweets and whatever else they can drum up. It's actually sad.

    Yes, I am pro Trump. That will not change until someone else comes along who I think can do just as well or better. That has not happened yet so I will continue to support the best options that are right in front of me; at this point in time. For me to do anything else is playing right into the enemy's hand; and they know it. Why in the world would I even think about openly talking bad about the ONLY person at this time that might help?
    I'm pro-Trump, too. Something I think you (and others) may be missing, and I'm speaking only for myself, is that Trump is my favorite candidate out of everyone available to be President, including at this point DeSantis. If I could hand-pick someone to be in that office, I would make it Trump before anyone else, including DeSantis.

    Now this is where I need you and the others to take a deep breath, because...I don't get to hand-pick that person. And neither do you. He has to be elected, in an election where everyone can vote. Including a whole lot of people out there whom I frankly consider to be low-brow mouth breathers.

    I don't think Trump can win that race. He has been destroyed too thoroughly by a countervailing PR attack. He was a good President, but he's damaged beyond the ability to win. He's Tom Brady with a missing leg.

    I'm asking you and others to consider - a prosthetic leg may not be able to get this done.

    The people like me who are making this point, aren't "destroying Trump." We're trying to get you to see He's Already Destroyed. Some people's devotion to him won't allow them to see that.

    There comes a time when your dog has to be taken to the vet for the final time. It doesn't mean you don't love the dog. If we cannot find another dog to carry on with - then America was already screwed anyway.

    I know this is not what you want to hear. Don't shoot the messenger. We're trying to tell you something you might not be able to see on your own. It is not "Leftist Talking Points." It is reality. And it's coming from someone who would want to see Trump back in the White House, if I could.

    All Democrats have to do to win the Presidency, is find a candidate 39% of White voters don't find threatening. That's it. Joe Biden fits that bill. He will beat Donald Trump, every, single, time he runs against him. Because at least 39% of White voters don't find him threatening. That is the threshold of victory if you're a Democrat. Democrats have run the table so completely among every other group in America, that they now only need 39% of White voters overall to cement victory. Who the Republican candidate is, or what he stands for, don't matter if the Democrats hit that threshold.

    In the absence of a witch like Hillary, Donald Trump's 40-something % approval rating cannot block that key threshold from being met. He beat Hillary because well in excess of 60% of White people found her more threatening than Donald Trump. Hillary is not the candidate anymore. The "harmless grandpa" Joe Biden is. And Donald Trump's reputation has been absolutely, brutally trashed compared to what it was in 2016. It is a new world now.

    If the GOP gets 61% of the White vote - they LOSE. I don't think a lot of people understand that. That is why "mean tweets" matter. The people with "Just Be Kind" signs in their yard are the White People who make up that critical slice we need to either win, or neutralize. If those people vote, they are not voting for Donald Trump. The people with Autistic kids who attend churches with female pastors are part of that 39% of the White vote that guarantees Joe Biden victory. There are literally more of them than there are of us. THAT is why "mean tweets" matter. Some Trump voters believe his ability to send those tweets is what makes him the winner. Those people are, quite frankly, what you would call "cantankerous old farts," and they are not capable of considering a reality where that attitude is more of a negative than a positive.

    It is absolutely undisputed that Trump absolutely dominates the demographic of "cantankerous old farts." The problem is, they are so outnumbered by people who think, that people should be, for lack of a better word, nice. Remember, these are low-information people. They don't understand politics. They don't understand the danger of globalism, or China, or woke capitalism.

    But they understand the danger of "mean-ness." And when presented with a GOP candidate who seems to be speaking from a place of anger, they will choose Joe Biden every time. Because although he's useless, he also doesn't project meanness. He reminds them of their senile grandfather that they love.
     
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    Ingomike

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    If we both contributed to him, how are we defining self funded? What difference does it make is not an answer, I will grant you it is a response.
    He spent $66 million of his own money, few do that.

    I did not answer what difference does it make. I said, when one spends millions of their own money to run for President what difference does it make if the money from the cards sale is in his pocket or his campaign fund.

    Reports I have seen indicate that his net worth has gone down since being elected, is true, he us the only president to have lost money being President…
     

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    He spent $66 million of his own money, few do that.

    I did not answer what difference does it make. I said, when one spends millions of their own money to run for President what difference does it make if the money from the cards sale is in his pocket or his campaign fund.

    Reports I have seen indicate that his net worth has gone down since being elected, is true, he us the only president to have lost money being President…
    i thought we were being told that Trump doesn't care about America he's only in it for himself.

    If that's the case he's doing it wrong.
     

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    I posted his involvement. Dinners, golf, meets, etc. You think this is charity work?
    I think you both are talking about two different things. IM is talking about Trumpy Bear and you are talking about the digital trading cards.
     

    KLB

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    He spent $66 million of his own money, few do that.

    I did not answer what difference does it make. I said, when one spends millions of their own money to run for President what difference does it make if the money from the cards sale is in his pocket or his campaign fund.

    Reports I have seen indicate that his net worth has gone down since being elected, is true, he us the only president to have lost money being President…
    That doesn't mean he expected his net worth to go down. In fact I would highly doubt that.

    Much of his loss was probably due to Covid. Resorts and hotels took huge hits over the last two years. Add that to the fact that he is so despised by so many, he may never recover.
     

    KLB

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    You are still on the cards deal, I was discussing the bear, the bear has nothing to do with the cards, I keep saying that and you keep bringing up the cards.
    I was never talking about that. So, you replied to me talking about something I wasn't talking about. Got it.
    I think you both are talking about two different things. IM is talking about Trumpy Bear and you are talking about the digital trading cards.
    I see that now. I was never talking about that. Hell, I still don't know what that even is. :):
     

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    That doesn't mean he expected his net worth to go down. In fact I would highly doubt that.

    Much of his loss was probably due to Covid. Resorts and hotels took huge hits over the last two years. Add that to the fact that he is so despised by so many, he may never recover.
    Why doesn't Trump just walk away with all the financial hits and the abuse and the investigations etc. that he's been pummeled with?
     
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