Trump 2024 — The second term

[jamil]

Oh. BTW, Schwinn is still around, as a brand. It's just not owned as part of the original company. There's a bike shop in Clarksville that sells Schwinn branded stuff.

 

[KG1]

Who we said we fantasied about with the other 7th grade dudes at school.....




vs who we really fantasized about.....lol

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Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch Cherry Bomb!

 

[jamil]

Maybe Eastman came to them with the idea.

Well, according to SD4L, (I dunno if he's propaganda or not ) They brought Eastman in to determine next steps for how one might go about implementing this legal theory. I haven't vetted that and I'm not sure the story is interesting enough to vet.

 

[KG1]

Maybe Eastman came to them with the idea.

Eastman swears he didn't. Could be CYA though.

 

[indiucky]

Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch Cherry Bomb!

them: how are you approaching 60 and still crushing on the same gal you were when you were 12 frigging years old????

me: well it's not that hard....wait a minute...let me rephrase that.....

 

[jamil]

I think all I need to know is that Eastman does not seem to be any kind of actual top subject matter expert. And then whatever can be most reasonably inferred from that. Best case for Trump would be he got duped by his lawyers. No surprise from a guy like Rudy. Worst case, he knew he lost and solicited ways to stay in office from shady lawyers.

Don't think we can know his mind. So opinions all around.

 

[Ingomike]

I think the only provable situation was the rule changes. But that's probably dead end. I think first they'd have to get a ruling that emergency powers do not extend to making mail-in ballots the way most people vote. I suspect they'll lose on that. And without a favorable ruling on that question, I don't see how they can claim any of those elections were unconstitutional.

That you can see the plain language of the second but not the plain language that spells out that only the legislature can direct the manner electors are chosen is hypocrisy at its finest likely fueled by normalcy bias that gets people sick to their stomach when confronted with the reality that the left has taken over and those that believe this stuff are just like the RINO’s many of them criticize for not doing anything, while not doing anything themselves...

By all means evaluate this post through your vaunted neutral prism…

 

[KG1]

I think all I need to know is that Eastman does not seem to be any kind of actual top subject matter expert. And then whatever can be most reasonably inferred from that. Best case for Trump would be he got duped by his lawyers. No surprise from a guy like Rudy. Worst case, he knew he lost and solicited ways to stay in office from shady lawyers.

Don't think we can know his mind. So opinions all around.

Whatever went down it appeared to be an ill-advised hail Mary facilitated by Trump's hand chosen legal enablers.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I think that using these cases at most proves that Trump was delusional about the election. I think the only provable situation was the rule changes. But that's probably dead end. I think first they'd have to get a ruling that emergency powers do not extend to making mail-in ballots the way most people vote.

So, if they did, then they would need to "throw out" a lot of Trump's electors as well. Most states altered existing mail-in/absentee voting to allow for COVID... some did it by legislation... most did not. One of the handful of notable exceptions was Florida, lol!

Changes to absentee/mail-in voting procedures in response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, 2020

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

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I'm not aware of any state that "invented" mail-in voting that either didn't already have it or that wasn't legislated. Several deep red states extended the deadline for receiving mail-in ballots, and I'm pretty sure that they didn't do that to give Biden an "edge".

I suspect they'll lose on that. And without a favorable ruling on that question, I don't see how they can claim any of those elections were unconstitutional.

I suspect you are right in addition to you have to right the rules BEFORE the election... not after.

So I don't think you can use the cases that Trump took to court proves his state of mind.

You keep raising state of mind... I thought that only applied to criminal codes that use the term "knowingly did such and such"... and that they didn't have to know it was illegal, just that they knew what they were doing. I.e. it wasn't inadvertent.

It's just as feasible that his lawyers, which you already admit were incompetent, sold an already ego-bruised lame duck President on legal battles he couldn't win.

I would flip that... he had competent people tell him over and over again that his "stolen election" rants on social media were simply untrue... that dead people, out of staters, etc simply did not vote in more than single digits. AG Barr, Gov Kemp, SoS Raffensberger, etc and that added up to he lost. He could not countenance that, so call in the "kracken" squad.

He knew that he failed on all (save 270 votes in PA) counts in the state/federal courts and on all counts in the state legislatures and SoS's. He knew that by the certified votes and electors, he lost... and the only way to stay in power was to alter the elector count on Jan 6th.

Not sure whether he "metaphysically" believed he lost or not is relevant. Someone may "metaphysically believe" that a bank or some other institution stole money or property from them, but if they rob the bank, they are a bank robber regardless of whether they were delusioned in that belief or not.

 

[Ingomike]

So, if they did, then they would need to "throw out" a lot of Trump's electors as well. Most states altered existing mail-in/absentee voting to allow for COVID... some did it by legislation... most did not.

Then they are unconstitutional too…

 

[jamil]

That you can see the plain language of the second but not the plain language that spells out that only the legislature can direct the manner electors are chosen is hypocrisy at its finest likely fueled by normalcy bias that gets people sick to their stomach when confronted with the reality that the left has taken over and those that believe this stuff are just like the RINO’s many of them criticize for not doing anything, while not doing anything themselves...

By all means evaluate this post through your vaunted neutral prism…

Two words. Emergency Orders. You may not like it. I don't like it. But the courts have sided with them. There was the case in Texas against Abbot. State SCOTUS, you know that far left liberal institution, threw it out.

The question is, under the cover of emergency orders, can the state modify the election process like a few states did? That's not been adjudicated at the federal level as far as I know. Did Trump bring that case to court? If not. Why not? And don't just say "standing". That's been a standing excuse for not answering relevant questions.

 

[jamil]

By all means evaluate this post through your vaunted neutral prism…

Never said it. That's something that you and Bug invented.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

That you can see the plain language of the second but not the plain language that spells out that only the legislature can direct the manner electors are chosen is hypocrisy at its finest likely fueled by normalcy bias that gets people sick to their stomach when confronted with the reality that the left has taken over and those that believe this stuff are just like the RINO’s many of them criticize for not doing anything, while not doing anything themselves...

By all means evaluate this post through your vaunted neutral prism…

Moore v Harper torpedoed this by 6-3. BUT EVEN IF IT HADN'T, the PA extended deadline votes would not have even came close to changing the PA results... Biden would have still won, IIRC, by 70,000 votes instead of 80,000 votes, ASSUMING all of the extended deadline votes were for Biden... I'm sure that they added to his lead, but doubt they were 100% Biden votes.

(FWIW, in the PA situation where the legislature had just enacted changes, I think PA SC was wrong to extend the deadline... although I do personally think that ballots postmarked on election day should be counted)

And, it does NOT say "only"... it does not proscribe against judicial review... that was an open question, closed by SCOTUS in Moore v Harper.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors..."

 

[jamil]

Then they are unconstitutional too…

Someone needs to take it to SCOTUS to answer the question if Emergency orders can override state election laws, like it can other laws.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Well, according to SD4L, (I dunno if he's propaganda or not ) They brought Eastman in to determine next steps for how one might go about implementing this legal theory. I haven't vetted that and I'm not sure the story is interesting enough to vet.

According to Eastman... who is after all, a pre-iminent constitutional scholar!

Eastman swears he didn't. Could be CYA though.

Yup on both counts.

 

[jamil]

According to Eastman... who is after all, a pre-iminent constitutional scholar!


Yup on both counts.

I've read enough articles on Eastman's involvement, might as well take your pick on what you want to believe. It's an open field.

 

[Ingomike]

I would flip that... he had competent people tell him over and over again that his "stolen election" rants on social media were simply untrue... that dead people, out of staters, etc simply did not vote in more than single digits. AG Barr, Gov Kemp, SoS Raffensberger, etc and that added up to he lost. He could not countenance that, so call in the "kracken" squad.

He knew that he failed on all (save 270 votes in PA) counts in the state/federal courts and on all counts in the state legislatures and SoS's. He knew that by the certified votes and electors, he lost... and the only way to stay in power was to alter the elector count on Jan 6th.

Not sure whether he "metaphysically" believed he lost or not is relevant. Someone may "metaphysically believe" that a bank or some other institution stole money or property from them, but if they rob the bank, they are a bank robber regardless of whether they were delusioned in that belief or not.

Those you name are compromised RINO’s. And the truth that conservatives are losing is in posts of the like of you and @jamil. What you two and a few others here take as a badge of superiority I find pathetic.

When ALL the election aftermath legal attempts are dismissed on standing, it is not coincidence it is organized.

If the fix was not in, we a

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Two words. Emergency Orders. You may not like it. I don't like it. But the courts have sided with them. There was the case in Texas against Abbot. State SCOTUS, you know that far left liberal institution, threw it out.

The question is, under the cover of emergency orders, can the state modify the election process like a few states did? That's not been adjudicated at the federal level as far as I know. Did Trump bring that case to court? If not. Why not? And don't just say "standing". That's been a standing excuse for not answering relevant questions.

IIRC, I thought that they did, but only after the election... things like letting old folks in COVID quarantined nursing homes vote absentee/mail-in when they did not meet the letter of the existing law for absentee/mail-in.

The ones I remember were tossed because they were brought AFTER the election and both could and should have been brought PRIOR to the election.

I don't recall any Emergency Order "inventing" mail-in voting from whole cloth, only extending existing voting to more people or everyone (depending upon the state) due to COVID.

 

[foszoe]

If one complains that much about their spouse they need to get away from that torment or, as is equally likely, quit tormenting their spouse.

I never say bad things about my spouse…

You are an exceptional human being and an example for all of us.

 

[KG1]

There was zero chance the J6 elector scheme was gonna work for a whole host of reasons. Eastman didn't even think it was going to work but they tried it anyway. He was at least right about that.