To Mask or Not to Mask?

[Ark]

Is it really that big of a deal to wear mask?

Yes, it is. I am not a Ken doll for the government or anyone else to dress for their amusement. The mask mandate is, by a wide margin, the most egregious and personal assault on my personal liberty the government of this state has ever inflicted on me. Muzzling me like some kind of animal is dehumanizing, demoralizing, and deeply and personally invasive. Yes, it is a "big deal". It has been A YEAR. I am tired of breathing through these disgusting face diapers. I am tired of being surrounded by faceless NPCs like some kind of low budget grindhouse dystopia movie. I am tired of being screeched at by random Karens on the street for coming too close to them without a mask.

Yes, it is a "big deal", and I am damn tired of people minimizing it.

 

[Ark]

I'd like to see "freedom-oriented INGO" acknowledge that the use of one's freedom cannot rightly interfere with others' freedom.

You have no inherent right not to catch a virus in common circulation with a 99.8% survival rate. You have no right to lifelong freedom from illness of any kind.

 

[actaeon277]

I'd like to see "freedom-oriented INGO" acknowledge that the use of one's freedom cannot rightly interfere with others' freedom.

And are you going to acknowledge that you are using one's freedom to interfere with others' freedom?

 

[JettaKnight]

And are you going to acknowledge that you are using one's freedom to interfere with others' freedom?

It's almost as if w as a society have *gasp* work together because nothing we do is in a vacuum.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

EXACTLY!

That's my point - I DO NOT CARE WHY. I choose to maintain my course and mind my own business.

Same here. Wear one, don’t wear one, do what you feel is best for you, I’ll do the same. That’s how it should be

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Has anyone actually seen people double masking? Not the goons on TV putting on a show. I'm talking real life. I don't go out to the point of needing a mask except for the hospital and I haven't even seen it there. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just curious if anyone has actually seen it.

No, just pics on Twitter and politicians virtue signaling. I’m sure they’re out there tho

 

[actaeon277]

Health care workers have been wearing masks for 12+ hours a day without problems.

Folks working in construction have been wearing N95/dust masks for hours a day.

The adverse effects on your health comes from NOT wearing masks in those professions, and many others.

What's next? You need a study to show hard hats are not bad for your hair before you start wearing one on a job site?

I'll bite.
So it's okay on the masks, then it must be okay for the .gov to require everyone to wear the fire resistant clothes, multiple layers of clothes, no materials such as nylon and rayon and such (cause they melt to the skin), safety boots with steel toes and metatarsal protection, hearing protection, safety glasses, and gloves?

I wear a mask at work, when I have to.
If I need it for 10 minutes, I wear it for 10 minutes.
If I need it for 16 hours, I wear it for 16 hours.
Doesn't mean I want to come home and do the same.

 

[CindyE]

Has anyone actually seen people double masking? Not the goons on TV putting on a show. I'm talking real life. I don't go out to the point of needing a mask except for the hospital and I haven't even seen it there. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just curious if anyone has actually seen it.

i just saw someone wearing 2 yesterday. and someone i was arguing with on another forum said they wear 3 masks!

 

[Jaybird1980]

It's almost as if w as a society have *gasp* work together because nothing we do is in a vacuum.

Working together is a choice though. I think the only people's rights being violated are business owners being forced to require patrons mask when they don't want to, not the patrons because they have a choice to not use that facility. I'm in the wear a mask or don't up to you, that doesn't include demanding to go maskless in a facility that has the right to require one be worn.

 

[CampingJosh]

You have no inherent right not to catch a virus in common circulation with a 99.8% survival rate. You have no right to lifelong freedom from illness of any kind.

If a person is in a place where he has a right to be, doing something he has a right to do, then he should have an expectation that others will take reasonable precautions to avoid causing him harm.

 

[Sylvain]

Has anyone actually seen people double masking? Not the goons on TV putting on a show. I'm talking real life. I don't go out to the point of needing a mask except for the hospital and I haven't even seen it there. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just curious if anyone has actually seen it.

I have seen it numerous times in hospitals.
I've done it myself.
It's a thing and it makes sense in some situations.Not all.

Usually a N95/FFP2 with a surgical one on top, especially if the N95 has a valve.

You get to change the cheap (and easy to get now) surgical mask more often to make your more expensive (and harder to get) respirator last longer.

Now you do you need to wear two masks to go grocery shopping when you can keep social distance? Probably not.

I see enough people who can't wear one single mask properly. So wearing two wouldn't make a difference.

I think asking the general public to double mask in every situations is silly, especially when a lot of people don't even wear a single mask yet.

It's an option sometimes but it really depends what you're doing, what types of masks you're using, how long you have to be in very close contact to others etc.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

If a person is in a place where he has a right to be, doing something he has a right to do, then he should have an expectation that others will take reasonable precautions to avoid causing him harm.

So then why haven’t you always wore a mask? The flu is fatal to others... did you just begin caring recently?

 

[alanbarx]

Nope. We are aaaayyy past this crap. Keep it and lets get back to life as we know it.

I very much agree with you. I want to go back to normal life not this mask virus life.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I have seen it numerous times in hospitals.
I've done it myself.
It's a thing and it makes sense in some situations.Not all.

Usually a N95/FFP2 with a surgical one on top, especially if the N95 has a valve.

You get to change the cheap (and easy to get now) surgical mask more often to make your more expensive (and harder to get) respirator last longer.

Now you do you need to wear two masks to go grocery shopping when you can keep social distance? Probably not.

I see enough people who can't wear one single mask properly. So wearing two wouldn't make a difference.

I think asking the general public to double mask in every situations is silly, especially when a lot of people don't even wear a single mask yet.

It's an option sometimes but it really depends what you're doing, what types of masks you're using, how long you have to be in very close contact to others etc.

I have seen it in hospitals but only in certain situations, like surgery or the ward I was in. I'm talking more everyday things. I haven't even seen it at the cancer center I have to go to, unless in a procedure.

 

[Sylvain]

I'll bite.
So it's okay on the masks, then it must be okay for the .gov to require everyone to wear the fire resistant clothes, multiple layers of clothes, no materials such as nylon and rayon and such (cause they melt to the skin), safety boots with steel toes and metatarsal protection, hearing protection, safety glasses, and gloves?

I wear a mask at work, when I have to.
If I need it for 10 minutes, I wear it for 10 minutes.
If I need it for 16 hours, I wear it for 16 hours.
Doesn't mean I want to come home and do the same.

The question was just "Is it bad for your health to wear a mask for a long time everyday?".

Clearly it's fine, lots of people do it.

I wasn't even talking about masks being mandatory or not.

 

[BugI02]

If a person is in a place where he has a right to be, doing something he has a right to do, then he should have an expectation that others will take reasonable precautions to avoid causing him harm.

You are responsible for your own safety, and only you. You should not expect to govern my behavior to suit your desires in circumstances where we lack agreement over what is proper

Sure, you should expect me to not act recklessly with my RKBA, because we agree that that is proper behavior. We do not agree that me wearing a mask to make you feel safer is proper behavior, and without that agreement, you cannot expect to dictate my behavior without our individual freedoms throwing sparks where they are in collision

I would also not agree that me obeying the speed limit would be desireable solely because you felt so, and were you to approach me about what you considered deficiencies in my driving you could expect a similar result

By extension into reductio, should I believe and accept the election of Xiden because that might make you feel safer? Should I avoid buying or selling in the market because that might lead to disadvantaging you? To give another any control over my behavior simply because they believe they are on morally superior ground is anathema to me

It is the 'Revenge of the Busybodies'

 

[Sylvain]

I have seen it in hospitals but only in certain situations, like surgery or the ward I was in. I'm talking more everyday things. I haven't even seen it at the cancer center I have to go to, unless in a procedure.

I haven't noticed anyone wearing two masks outside of hospital settings.

But I don't really pay much attention to what other people are wearing unless they're right in my face.

 

[BugI02]

Is it really that big of a deal to wear mask? It helps prevent the spread. I hear a lot of conspiracy theories, and I am sure there are those who have used this actual event for their own gain...but the illness is real.

And you are completely at liberty to wear one or more masks as you so desire. The rub is when you seek the moral or temporal authority to compel other free men to agree with your assessment

If you did not so seek, you would accept the right of others to make their own decision and adjust your precautions accordingly

 

[Jaybird1980]

I haven't noticed anyone wearing two masks outside of hospital settings.

But I don't really pay much attention to what other people are wearing unless they're right in my face.

I don't really pay much attention and also don't really go anywhere, I am actually curious.

You are overseas right? Do they have a lot of restrictions?
Sorry if this has been discussed, but no way I'm reading this whole thread.

 

[cg21]

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.