To Mask or Not to Mask?

[BugI02]

you think not wearing a mask is your right.

Incorrect, he KNOWS it is his right

 

[actaeon277]

The question was just "Is it bad for your health to wear a mask for a long time everyday?".

Clearly it's fine, lots of people do it.

I wasn't even talking about masks being mandatory or not.

Okay.
Construction/Heavy Industry workers make up a small percentage of the population.
Because THEY can wear a mask, does not follow that EVERYONE in the population can wear a mask.

 

[BugI02]

The fact that they screwed that up and then doubled down with the "now we say" made cynics of the people they needed to educate, and perhaps rightly so.

Major fail in the hubris/self-awareness department. You reveal an elitist attitude via the assumption that you are right, and the people who don't agree just don't have enough information or are not smart enough to reach a conclusion that they otherwise would if they were only as erudite as you are

Total bull****. No one looks to lawyers to be experts about anything that pertains to areas outside that arcana which constitutes the law

 

[Sylvain]

I don't really pay much attention and also don't really go anywhere, I am actually curious.

You are overseas right? Do they have a lot of restrictions?
Sorry if this has been discussed, but no way I'm reading this whole thread.

I live in France.
We have masks mandates enforceable by law.
You can get a fine (from $150 up to $1,800) or even jail time for not wearing a mask in some situations.

Right now there's also a curfew in place but there are some exemptions that allow people to go out past the curfew time.

Some stores are now forced to close sooner because of the curfew.

 

[Sylvain]

Okay.
Construction/Heavy Industry workers make up a small percentage of the population.
Because THEY can wear a mask, does not follow that EVERYONE in the population can wear a mask.

I'm not saying that everybody can, or should.

Just saying that the majority of people will be fine to wear a mask for 30 minutes while getting groceries, since some folks wear masks for much longer while doing actual work.

It's fine if some folks don't want to wear a mask but claiming it's bad for your health is just silly.

 

[JTScribe]

I'm surprised we're still debating this after the nonsense about still wearing masks after infection and vaccination. It's obviously not about the science.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm surprised we're still debating this after the nonsense about still wearing masks after infection and vaccination. It's obviously not about the science.

I'd hazard to say it's more about education about the science. The conventional wisdom is, "if I got vaccinated or had the disease, wearing a mask is pointless." It seems that epidemiologists disagree with that.

 

[BugI02]

I'd like to see "freedom-oriented INGO" acknowledge that the use of one's freedom cannot rightly interfere with others' freedom.

I pass people all the time seeking to 'rightly' exercize their freedom to clog the left lane on the freeway. They think going the speed limit gives them the moral high ground, forgetting that a different section of the law says 'keep right except to pass', and it has no exception for 'unless you're going the speed limit'

And I must assume that these people feel I am interfering with their freedom in some way, because they often will speed up or take other, ultimately futile, action to prevent themselves from being passed

The concept you are overlooking is that INGO does not agree on the boundary conditions between your freedom and theirs, and are unlikely to conclude the shape of that boundary is what you want it to be

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Major fail in the hubris/self-awareness department. You reveal an elitist attitude via the assumption that you are right, and the people who don't agree just don't have enough information or are not smart enough to reach a conclusion that they otherwise would if they were only as erudite as you are

Total bull****. No one looks to lawyers to be experts about anything that pertains to areas outside that arcana which constitutes the law

We can all agree that a majority of people do not understand why the mask is necessary. People do not have enough information, heck people do not understand how the germ theory of disease works. We see it all around us and on INGO--mask use as making a political statement instead of helping others.

They believe it is a defense against others instead of defending others from them. They also believe it is a political statement. Heck, this thread is in the POLITICAL forum.

I don't care what your opinion of lawyers is, completely pointless. I worry what science says. Science says wearing a mask reduces the threat of us to others. Be responsible, wear a mask when around others.

 

[BugI02]

It's almost as if w as a society have *gasp* work together because nothing we do is in a vacuum.

No! We, as a society, CHOOSE to work together in areas of mutual benefit. We do not HAVE to do anything we conclude is of no benefit to us

 

[JettaKnight]

I pass people all the time seeking to 'rightly' exercize their freedom to clog the left lane on the freeway. They think going the speed limit gives them the moral high ground, forgetting that a different section of the law says 'keep right except to pass', and it has no exception for 'unless you're going the speed limit'

And I must assume that these people feel I am interfering with their freedom in some way, because they often will speed up or take other, ultimately futile, action to prevent themselves from being passed

The concept you are overlooking is that INGO does not agree on the boundary conditions between your freedom and theirs, and are unlikely to conclude the shape of that boundary is what you want it to be

Well, yeah, you live in Ohio.

 

[JTScribe]

I'd hazard to say it's more about education about the science. The conventional wisdom is, "if I got vaccinated or had the disease, wearing a mask is pointless." It seems that epidemiologists disagree with that.

I'd be less skeptical if everything hadn't become so politicized over the last year.

Perfect example:

Could controversial drug benefit COVID patients after all? Some N.J. docs say yes.

Researchers at Hackensack Meridian took another look. Despite all the politics, they believe the drug has some benefit.

www.nj.com

 

[Chewie]

Nope.

Yep, at menards in mooresville. Guy pulled up in a truck with a mask on, before he got out he put on a second mask. I chuckled and thought people do what they feel the need to do.

 

[Jaybird1980]

No! We, as a society, CHOOSE to work together in areas of mutual benefit. We do not HAVE to do anything we conclude is of no benefit to us

You do not have to do anything, but you should be ready to suffer the consequences of your choices.
You can choose to go into a facility that requires a mask, but you should be prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[nonobaddog]

Hell, I have worn two masks myself. When I go to the clinic I only wear my mask because I have to because I want to go to my appointment. I wear a P100 respirator mask to protect myself from nasties they have there, but it has an exhaust valve. This would get me in most places just fine but it doesn't fool Mayo. They have people at all doors and they see the vent right away and give me a little ear-hanger thing to wear over it.

 

[Chewie]

Oh my lord, will it never end?
You make your choices and I make mine, actions have consequences.
If a store asks me to wear a mask, I will. I don't like it but it is a request and I can deal with those. The moment someone tries to MAKE me wear a mask is when I have an issue. Especially when I am outside. People telling me I am endangering them are the issue. According to my thought process if you are wearing a mask and that makes you feel safe, why are you worried about me not wearing one. I am not hugging, touching, or trying to kiss you so just back off! How a person wears the mask seems to have a bigger impact than anything. Are we looking at the "mask police" to enforce this? For how long? This will never disappear and it will mutate. Covid is now a part of our lives forever, learn to cope!

 

[cg21]

You know what else a mask restricts? Oxygen. Oxygen needed for the brain to function properly.

 

[Sylvain]

Hell, I have worn two masks myself. When I go to the clinic I only wear my mask because I have to because I want to go to my appointment. I wear a P100 respirator mask to protect myself from nasties they have there, but it has an exhaust valve. This would get me in most places just fine but it doesn't fool Mayo. They have people at all doors and they see the vent right away and give me a little ear-hanger thing to wear over it.

That's one time where wearing two masks makes sense.

One masks protects you if it's a respirator with a proper seal, the surgical mask protects others from you.

Now telling people to wear two masks (regardless of types) doesn't make much sense.
I don't think there's added benefit to wear 2 surgical masks instead of 1 for example.

It might even be counter productive in some casses.
I've seen people wearing a respirator on top of a surgical (or cloth) mask ... therefore ruining the seal of the respirator.

They feel more protected but are actually less protected.Kinda like wearing two condoms.

People need to be educated on the different kinds of masks, why and when they should wear them etc.

So far politicians of all sides, of different countries, have failed to that.

And everybody needs to be educated.Not just the folks who "don't believe in masks".

I've seen folks wearing masks when they are by themselves in their car.
It's silly and they obviously don't understand why they are asked to wear masks in the first place.

People also need to be more compassionate towards one another.

There's no need to attack someone because they decided to wear a mask.
Same way there's no need to attack someone for not wearing one.

That only causes divisiveness (on top of the political divisiveness) at a time where the country needs more unity.

Wearing a mask is not, and should not be seen as a political statement.

 

[Sylvain]

You know what else a mask restricts? Oxygen. Oxygen needed for the brain to function properly.

That's nonsense.

You think a surgeon could perform surgery for several hours if it restricted oxygen flow and brain fonction?

 

[JTScribe]

That's not a surgical mask. This is:



They are basically paper, intended to stop body fluids, not germs.