The (Semi) Official Trump Election/Inauguration thread...

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If the Russians hacked the emails, that action is bad. We can condemn that while still apprising the people of the truth. Of course it would be better to have the whole truth. I wish we could knkw just how awful are both candidates. But do we ignore the information that tells us just how corrupt one of the candidates is because of the source? I think the only way one could say yes to that question is from buthurt over the outcome.

This is not a court of law where rules for obtaining and handling of evidence dictates whether the information may be considered in the matter at hand. If the Russians are behind this, they should be condemned for it and whatever diplomatic actions that are appropriate should be applied. But I'm just not ready to "go sic 'em" just because some assertions (mostly from the side that lost) have been made.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If the Russians hacked the emails, that action is bad. We can condemn that while still apprising the people of the truth. Of course it would be better to have the whole truth. I wish we could knkw just how awful are both candidates. But do we ignore the information that tells us just how corrupt one of the candidates is because of the source? I think the only way one could say yes to that question is from buthurt over the outcome.

No, it fair to asks those questions. But it is also fair to question the motives of a nation meddling. Obviously a nation meddles to seek an outcome beneficial to it. If you view Russia as a competitor, or as having policies outside of US interests, then one could reasonably conclude that any benefit to them, comes at our detriment. But that only assumes you see a nation which harasses others, invades others, commits provocative military acts in the air and the high seas, as a competitive threat. The fickle American mind tends to forget things.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Spicer Says Russians Never Hacked The RNC, Reports Are False | The Daily Caller

Of course the beneficiary of the Russian meddling would go to bat for their comrades.

GFGT (Just trying to help Kut out a little).






(Did I do that right?)

 

[printcraft]

Jokes, I want joke

Kut (reminds you're in the Printcraft category, and feels no reason offer legitimate responses)

Yeah, I know you can't handle it when your world view is under scrutiny.
Whatever gets you through the night, it's all right, it's all right.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Of course the beneficiary of the Russian meddling would go to bat for their comrades.

GFGT (Just trying to help Kut out a little).






(Did I do that right?)

Well they did say they were hacked back in September. Now magically, they were not.

 

[BugI02]

Dude, you are begging the question. The point is that the assertion that the Russians hacked the DNC is not proven, unless and until some actual proof is proffered that is not hiding behind shadowy 'sources' and using 'national security' or 'safeguarding national technical means' as an excuse to withhold actual evidence that could be independently evaluated.

Thus it is disingenuous to argue as if 'the Russian hack' is an accepted truth backed up by solid evidence

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yeah, I know you can't handle it when your world view is under scrutiny.
Whatever gets you through the night, it's all right, it's all right.

lol, yeah, I'm known for shying away from a disagreement.

 

[printcraft]

lol, yeah, I'm known for shying away from the truth and moving the goalposts.

Edited for reality.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Dude, you are begging the question. The point is that the assertion that the Russians hacked the DNC is not proven, unless and until some actual proof is proffered that is not hiding behind shadowy 'sources' and using 'national security' or 'safeguarding national technical means' as an excuse to withhold actual evidence that could be independently evaluated.

Thus it is disingenuous to argue as if 'the Russian hack' is an accepted truth backed up by solid evidence

How do we know your post was you and not done by a Russian hacking your computer? It's possible, and much more probable, that a Russian hacked your computer than the election system. So I'm going to assume this is a hack, until it's proven it's not, because that's my right.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

WI recount Day 10 cumulative net changes, each candidate, 89.92% complete:
Trump +628
Hillary +653
Stein +68


It does seem slightly concerning that this many votes weren't initially counted. I know it's a very small difference... but still. Why weren't all votes accounted for on the first go-around?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

NBC Reports Donald Trump Will Name Exxon Mobile CEO Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State

 

[KG1]

Ex-CIA operative: "We may need a new vote"

Former CIA Operative Robert Baer says if the CIA can prove that Russia interfered with the 2016 election then the US should vote again.

Ex-CIA operative: We may need a new vote - CNN Video

Oy Vey! (and I'm not even Jewish) This country would implode if we had a re-vote.

 

[hopper68]

This is not political!! The lame-duck president is having them look at the last 3 elections to be fair.

Obama orders review of U.S. election hacks

If irregularities are found, will Obama step down.

 

[BugI02]

How do we know your post was you and not done by a Russian hacking your computer? It's possible, and much more probable, that a Russian hacked your computer than the election system. So I'm going to assume this is a hack, until it's proven it's not, because that's my right.

ругательства, сорваны снова

 

[bwframe]

Anyone got the links to the proof this was Russian hacking?

Or does this fall into the same category as "global warming", "Trump is a racist" and the "Hillary Clinton Presidency" that we are just supposed to believe because the left just keeps saying it over and over?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Anyone got the links to the proof this was Russian hacking?

Or does this fall into the same category as "global warming", "Trump is a racist" and the "Hillary Clinton Presidency" that we are just supposed to believe because the left just keeps saying it over and over?

Hacking by govts doesn't exist. People just make that stuff up. It's never proven.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Edited for reality.

lol

 

[Dr.Midnight]

Hacking by govts doesn't exist. People just make that stuff up. It's never proven.

Not proof. We would like the facts, which you are so very fond of, please.

 

[BugI02]

Interesting

NSA Whistleblower: Not So Fast On Claims Russia Behind DNC Email Hack | naked capitalism

Among other things, William Binney goes on record about attributing the hack to The Russians. It's not pretty

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I have lived so much of my life "knowing" deep down in my bones that some day Hillary would get "her turn" as president, that having passed that disaster, I am giddy and unsure what to expect.



I do not expect Trump's presidency to be a panacea, but I also do not expect it to be the nightmare that hers would have been.