The SB 101 (Religious Freedom Restoration) Thread

[bmbutch]

Even if they didn't receive death threats, a boycott is inevitably coming their way. If it works they don't open their doors again.

Guess that's why they have over $45K in the gofundme page in roughly 12-hours? (Note: Did not personally confirm, heard on radio).

 

[lovemachine]

Thank You: Over $45k Raised For Persecuted Pizzeria In Indiana | Dana Loesch Radio

 

[wagyu52]

Even if they didn't receive death threats, a boycott is inevitably coming their way. If it works they don't open their doors again.

Like the boycott that shut down Chic-fil-a? This is Walkerton not Indy, Chitcago or South Bend his clientele are his friends and neighbors and are way more PO'ed that an outsider came in and did this to a local than anything else. IF he reopens it will be the biggest day he ever had.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

They're sitting at $55,000 now.

Support Memories Pizza by Lawrence Billy Jones III - GoFundMe

Some boycott.

 

[MisterChester]

They're sitting at $55,000 now.

Support Memories Pizza by Lawrence Billy Jones III - GoFundMe

Some boycott.

This is exactly proving my point. People are donating to them too, and this would likely ensure the boycott is unsuccessful. This is how it's supposed to work.

 

[Doug]

You seem to misunderstand the nature of your first amendment rights. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean there will never be repercussions from your words.

Boycotts are legal and part of the freedoms we enjoy.
DEATH THREATS are criminal and that is what may keep them from re-opening.
Death threats made by progressives are labeled "free speech;" mere disagreement without any threat by "non-progressives" is labeled "hate speech."

 

[ArcadiaGP]

RFRA announcement now, live

Lawmakers, business leaders make RFRA announcement | WISH-TV

 

[chipbennett]

Looks like that pizzeria learned a hard lesson about the free market.

Death threats are a valid part of the free market?

 

[Doug]

RFRA announcement now, live

Lawmakers, business leaders make RFRA announcement | WISH-TV

I doubt it will make much difference; as a Wall Street Journal editorial said this isn't Indiana targeting gays, it is "Progressives" attacking religion.

 

[PistolBob]

The guy should have said...we don't do catering. They said "Sure, we'll sell pizzas to gay people, in the store".

Q: How do you know if someone is gay?
A: Wait 2 minutes because most of them will tell you, and then look at you like they expect a prize or something.

 

[chipbennett]

Hopefully their next business model will involve knowing when they should, and when they shouldn't, open their mouths.

And hopefully the rape victim's next party-attendance model will involve knowing when she should, and shouldn't, wear a short skirt.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The guy should have said...we don't do catering. They said "Sure, we'll sell pizzas to gay people, in the store".

Q: How do you know if someone is gay?
A: Wait 2 minutes because most of them will tell you, and then look at you like they expect a prize or something.

"So an atheist, a vegan, and a guy who does crossfit walk into a bar..."

 

[chipbennett]

People are going to boycott. Nobody can stop them until they get what they want or decide to stop boycotting. If a business owner freely speaks one way, and a boycott results, isn't that how it's supposed to work? Free market and all...

There has been no boycott as of yet. There have only been death threats.

 

[chipbennett]

You think a business should be able to boycott accepting certain customers business because of their beliefs, but do not feel others should be able exercise a boycott against a business for practices that they disagree with? Interesting stance...

And that's a great, big, flaming straw man. I never said any such thing, and in fact, have stated - explicitly - exactly the opposite.

 

[AA&E]

This. Was. Not. Free Market. It has nothing to do with free market.

Just because you do not like this type of pressure and it's influence on the market, doesn't mean it isn't a free market result. You provide crappy service, your business suffers. You charge more for a product than what it is worth, your business will suffer. You publicly proclaim an unpopular opinion (to some) your business will suffer.

That said I wouldn't condone the threats, but if you shut your doors because you are being bombarded by calls telling you what a tool you are and how they will not be doing business with your establishment... sounds like reaping what you sow.

 

[chipbennett]

EXACTLY!

You'd think all the free market supporters would have figured this out without it being explained in such a manner. This was very foreseeable. Did you expect a business to take a position some portion of society finds insulting and/or discriminatory and then maintain those people as customers? Where is your belief and backing of the free market and consumer choice?

Do you think that death threats are a valid part of the free market?

It seem most of you do not think the expression of your beliefs should have any impact on you personally/professionally, but do not care how your beliefs impact those they are excluding. This boycott was the most 'no ****' and 'who didn't see that one coming' impacts from all of this. It was obvious and apparent from the very first moments this bill was signed as major organizations and businesses started backing away from the table with Indiana.

Boycott? What boycott? There has been no boycott; only death threats.

Just because you do not like this type of pressure and it's influence on the market, doesn't mean it isn't a free market result. You provide crappy service, your business suffers. You charge more for a product than what it is worth, your business will suffer. You publicly proclaim an unpopular opinion (to some) your business will suffer.

That said I wouldn't condone the threats, but if you shut your doors because you are being bombarded by calls telling you what a tool you are and how they will not be doing business with your establishment... sounds like reaping what you sow.

So no to death threats, but yes to tortious interference with a business?

Again, note: there has been no boycott (i.e. people choosing not to do business). There have been death threats, arson threats, fraudulent reviews, hostile squatting of internet domain name, hacking/defacing of search engine results, and other forms of illegal activity.

(And some would question my use of the term "militant" in describing people who would engage in such activities...)

 

[Liberty Sanders]

Oh, horse hockey. They didn't ask to be involved. Some stupid reporter came in their business, and started asking arbitrary questions. The proprietors said that they willingly serve everyone who comes into their establishment. The reporter asked them about catering a gay wedding, and the proprietor said that they would decline to participate in a gay wedding, due to their religious beliefs.

In response they get death threats - from the militant LGBT that you recently claimed didn't exist.


I suppose it's good to know that people with anti-religion/anti-Christian bigotry only give lip service to civil rights and constitutional protections.

​And how was it determined that these threats came from "militant LGBT?"

 

[AA&E]

Yes, and a boycott from this vocal and ignorant minority would not have caused them to close up shop. Other factors caused that. Non free-market factors.

Anonymous threats and intimidation aren't part of the free-market in America.

Unfortunately, you are exceptionally misguided if you do not believe the norm on these matters is swaying toward the acceptance toward their type. There are MANY people that would boycott based upon support, not because they themselves are gay. This is being portrayed as a modern day civil rights issue... and they are winning the PR war.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Just because you do not like this type of pressure and it's influence on the market, doesn't mean it isn't a free market result. You provide crappy service, your business suffers. You charge more for a product than what it is worth, your business will suffer.

These didn't happen.

You publicly proclaim an unpopular opinion (to some) your business will suffer.

This one happened, but your conclusion is an assumption.

if you shut your doors because you are being bombarded by calls telling you what a tool you are ... sounds like reaping what you sow.

That's not what happened. Death threats are not "you're a tool"

Unfortunately, you are exceptionally misguided if you do not believe the norm on these matters is swaying toward the acceptance toward their type. There are MANY people that would boycott based upon support, not because they themselves are gay. This is being portrayed as a modern day civil rights issue... and they are winning the PR war.

Whose rye-eets are being impeded upon here?

 

[AA&E]

And hopefully the rape victim's next party-attendance model will involve knowing when she should, and shouldn't, wear a short skirt.

While rape is never justified or provoked, do you truly believe a rape victim on some level wouldn't alter their actions after such a tragic event unfolds in their lives? Same concept applies here.