The Republican Primary Race Is Filling Up

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Drudge poll...

Looks like Trump mopped the floor with everyone once again.

I would have picked Rubio.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I would have picked Rubio.

It's been pretty clear online, from people that watched it, that Rubio won. Kasich actually did alright. Rubio and Cruz easily topped it, and Trump was an embarrassment.

 

[jdmack79]

Drudge poll...

Looks like Trump mopped the floor with everyone once again.

At the end of a night filled with substantive candidate statements, your only defense of Trump is an unscientific poll? Give me a break. How about commenting on Trump's failures to SPECIFICALLY explain his plans and defend his past.

 

[Jludo]

Drudge poll...

Looks like Trump mopped the floor with everyone once again.

Hah

 

[ArcadiaGP]

edit: nevermind

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's been pretty clear online, from people that watched it, that Rubio won. Kasich actually did alright. Rubio and Cruz easily topped it, and Trump was an embarrassment.

Trump is a boor. He only reinforced that in my mind tonight.

 

[Tombs]

At the end of a night filled with substantive candidate statements, your only defense of Trump is an unscientific poll? Give me a break. How about commenting on Trump's failures to SPECIFICALLY explain his plans and defend his past.

Unscientific poll? You mean to tell me all those polls people keep drooling over with a total of 400 people are more accurate than one with 100,000+ sample size? Give it till tomorrow and it'll be a few hundred thousand.

Drudge is one of the most reliable conservative media sources there is, I'd say his polls are more trust worthy than something MSNBC puts out.

A poll isn't a defense. It is what it is.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Why Is Matt Drudge Boosting Donald Trump? - The Daily Beast

Meh.

I'll check out the polls tomorrow that can't be brigaded.


Edit: Cruz - Marco and I would both make a much better candidate and a much better president than Donald.

Trump has 5 jokes in his stable and they've been robotically used over and over. He's running out of material. Important - Cruz and Rubio demonstrated that Trump is vulnerable. Poke him in the chest and he's like most any loudmouth. He panics, he stammers, and he resorts to insults and calling people liars rather than answering the questions. Sounds like... nah, must be a coincidence.


Speaking time - Cruz and Rubio made pretty effective use of their time.

Trump- 30:23
Cruz- 19:51
Kasich- 17:36
Rubio- 16:48
Carson- 10:15

 

[jdmack79]

Unscientific poll?...I'd say his polls are more trust worthy than something MSNBC puts out.

Political scientists and pollsters do it for a living. They know a little more about polling and accuracy than you do with your assumptions about Drudge's poll. Let me google that for you

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Before tonight, I couldn't care less about Trump's tax returns. Who gives a **** about any candidate's taxes? Why is this such a big deal?


But now, seeing him squirm about it and refuse to release them so strongly? Making up nonsense excuses about why he can't? Ohhhh you know there's something there. It can't be a lot... but he keeps saying over and over that tax returns show nothing as far as wealth. He'll hammer that point until he's finally forced by the media to give them up.

Again, I really don't care what he's worth either... but if it showcases another lie that he's been selling, so be it. Not that they'll care.

Edit: CNN is committing journalistic malpractice by allowing Trump to do two long post-debate damage-control interviews.

 

[Tombs]

Slate poll...

Telemundo

The right scoop

RSBN

nj.com

Washington Times

The blaze

If you're going to tell me that ALL of these are wrong, have it your way.

 

[danimal]

Donald is right, Ted is a complete liar. How on earth can a guy like that look at himself in the mirror.

[video]http://amp.twimg.com/v/d681030c-9187-4acc-9ab5-e24b94764453[/video]

 

[jamil]

Slate poll...

Telemundo


The right scoop


RSBN


nj.com


Washington Times


The blaze



If you're going to tell me that ALL of these are wrong, have it your way.

Tell me that the online gun control polls we swarm upon end up as an accurate reflection of American attitudes on gun control. Online polls are not reliable. The reason is that people can vote over and over. Groups can target the polls to sway the outcome. How many times did you vote in all those polls?

 

[jamil]

I'll say this about Trump supporters. I sort them into two groups.

Group one: those who know exactly what Trump is all about but are willing to overlook all that because they are pissed off at the people running the show now. When shown Trump's faults, they're willing to admit it, but don't care because they believe we're ****ed anyway. Basically if Trump burns this ***** down, hell, let's hoist up that middle finger while it burns.

Group two: the cognitively dissonant. Trump is a sort of Superhero. He's impervious to shame. He's the only candidate who gets it. He's the best shot at fixing it. When shown Trump's faults these supporters ignore, deny, minimize or rationalize. Trump can say or do anything and these supporters would insist it is genius. It is almost like a cult following.

I can respect the position of the former. I have to admit that I'd rather see Trump burn this ***** down than have Hillary Clinton as POTUS burning it down. I think she would do more long term damage to my posterity's future. And that's what I mostly care about.

But the latter, the cognitively dissonant. C'mon. Please look up the definition of intellectual honesty and then apply that when looking at the facts. In the end the actual truth is more valuable than what you want the truth to be.

 

[Jludo]

Unscientific poll? You mean to tell me all those polls people keep drooling over with a total of 400 people are more accurate than one with 100,000+ sample size? Give it till tomorrow and it'll be a few hundred thousand.

Drudge is one of the most reliable conservative media sources there is, I'd say his polls are more trust worthy than something MSNBC puts out.

A poll isn't a defense. It is what it is.

That's exactly what we mean to tell you, it's political science/statistics 101. If internet polls were accurate Ron Paul would've run away with the election in 2008.

 

[jamil]

That's exactly what we mean to tell you, it's political science/statistics 101. If internet polls were accurate Ron Paul would've run away with the election in 2008.

You mean 10s of thousands of Trump supporters spamming the online polls isn't a reflection of popular opinion?

That's astonishingly not intuitive.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That's exactly what we mean to tell you, it's political science/statistics 101. If internet polls were accurate Ron Paul would've run away with the election in 2008.

This is right. Any online poll is un-scientific. Sample sizes are one thing but there are many other factors that have to be considered and weighed appropriately to be able to approach an accurate poll.

 

[Landon]

I'll say this about Trump supporters. I sort them into two groups.

Group one: those who know exactly what Trump is all about but are willing to overlook all that because they are pissed off at the people running the show now. When shown Trump's faults, they're willing to admit it, but don't care because they believe we're ****ed anyway. Basically if Trump burns this ***** down, hell, let's hoist up that middle finger while it burns.

Group two: the cognitively dissonant. Trump is a sort of Superhero. He's impervious to shame. He's the only candidate who gets it. He's the best shot at fixing it. When shown Trump's faults these supporters ignore, deny, minimize or rationalize. Trump can say or do anything and these supporters would insist it is genius. It is almost like a cult following.

I can respect the position of the former. I have to admit that I'd rather see Trump burn this ***** down than have Hillary Clinton as POTUS burning it down. I think she would do more long term damage to my posterity's future. And that's what I mostly care about.

But the latter, the cognitively dissonant. C'mon. Please look up the definition of intellectual honesty and then apply that when looking at the facts. In the end the actual truth is more valuable than what you want the truth to be.

^^^This.

I think that's what most here don't understand about most Trump supporters. Its never been about his policies. They've been voting for years and listening to people with some of the best policies that don't follow through when elected. They are tired of it and no matter what's said or how bad Trump performs it won't change their vote.

 

[seedubs1]

Group one here

INGO always seems to recommend "voting them out" if we're unhappy with the current batch of politicians.....Welp, here you go.

I'll say this about Trump supporters. I sort them into two groups.

Group one: those who know exactly what Trump is all about but are willing to overlook all that because they are pissed off at the people running the show now. When shown Trump's faults, they're willing to admit it, but don't care because they believe we're ****ed anyway. Basically if Trump burns this ***** down, hell, let's hoist up that middle finger while it burns.

Group two: the cognitively dissonant. Trump is a sort of Superhero. He's impervious to shame. He's the only candidate who gets it. He's the best shot at fixing it. When shown Trump's faults these supporters ignore, deny, minimize or rationalize. Trump can say or do anything and these supporters would insist it is genius. It is almost like a cult following.

I can respect the position of the former. I have to admit that I'd rather see Trump burn this ***** down than have Hillary Clinton as POTUS burning it down. I think she would do more long term damage to my posterity's future. And that's what I mostly care about.

But the latter, the cognitively dissonant. C'mon. Please look up the definition of intellectual honesty and then apply that when looking at the facts. In the end the actual truth is more valuable than what you want the truth to be.

 

[seedubs1]

Plus, at least I'll get a good laugh while it's burning down. You've got to give it to the Donald.....he's entertaining.