The President Trump Immigration Thread

[jamil]

This assumes that the vast majority of the illegals to sway those representatives only benefit democrat candidates.

C'mon man.

It matters how many, and in what states they live when they answer the census. If illegal immigrants are counted towards apportionment for EC/House representation, then they damn sure can give democrats an advantage. Looking at the top 10 states for illegal immigration (California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Virginia, in order of population rank). California, Texas, NY, are probably the only states with a high enough illegal population that could change apportionment. So yeah, Texas could pick up some Republican representation (assuming that districts would be drawn such that it would favor Republicans). Would it make a big difference? Not huge, but could give Dems a several seat/EC delegate net gain, making the EC path ever more difficult for Republican presidential candidates.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

This assumes that the vast majority of the illegals to sway those representatives only benefit democrat candidates.

The only way to actually know would be to count their numbers and where they are located... There's a word for doing exactly that which escapes my mind at the moment. But I think it's been in the news lately.

ETA: Jamil's post above refreshed my memory, census, yeah that's it, why not use the census to determine this?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Politico: Poll: Slim majority supports deportation raids
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/ice-deportation-raids-1417799

So, the MSM mis-characterization of ICE proceedings as "targeting families for deportation" has majority (barely) support.

Makes you wonder how much support there is for finding and deporting:

1. Those present illegally with deportation court orders?
2. Those present illegally with deportation court orders AND criminal history or charges?

 

[Phase2]

WaPo poll: A majority of Mexicans also want to deport illegal migrants back to their country of origin.

Doesn't that make them racist? Waiting for the Odd Squad to start condemning Mexicans as racist now.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

WaPo poll: A majority of Mexicans also want to deport illegal migrants back to their country of origin.

Doesn't that make them racist? Waiting for the Odd Squad to start condemning Mexicans as racist now.

Obviously they're not "real" Mexicans.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

REPORT: Trump Administration Has Reunited 95% Of Migrant Children With Their Families Or Sponsors

 

[KG1]

You know it’s funny how the pro illegal immigration/open border crowd and the msm are raising all kinds of hell about detention centers and deportations under Trumps “racist” administration but nary a peep was uttered when those same things were being done under Obama’s watch considering deportions under Trump’s administration thus far are down compared to Obama’s

 

[T.Lex]

You know it’s funny how the pro illegal immigration/open border crowd and the msm are raising all kinds of hell about detention centers and deportations under Trumps “racist” administration but nary a peep was uttered when those same things were being done under Obama’s watch considering deportions under Trump’s administration thus far are down compared to Obama’s

Its a bit more complicated than that.

Deportations are down, in part, because more people are being detained because of decreased resources to handle the administrative side. If it used to take a few days to have a hearing and get an answer (either stay or go), it is now taking longer than that and those people need to be detained until there's an answer.

There is a political game being played here with the money. If Congress isn't going to fund the wall, then Trump isn't going to spend the money to process the people. Instead, he'll keep them in jail-like facilities. Ordinarily, that would be a PR nightmare, but with Trump and his base it really isn't. They like it.

 

[BugI02]

We'd be happy to let them go ... home

 

[two70]

Its a bit more complicated than that.

Deportations are down, in part, because more people are being detained because of decreased resources to handle the administrative side. If it used to take a few days to have a hearing and get an answer (either stay or go), it is now taking longer than that and those people need to be detained until there's an answer.

There is a political game being played here with the money. If Congress isn't going to fund the wall, then Trump isn't going to spend the money to process the people. Instead, he'll keep them in jail-like facilities. Ordinarily, that would be a PR nightmare, but with Trump and his base it really isn't. They like it.

Actually it seems that the ones that most like to keep the detainees in jail like facilities are those that like to make political hay out of complaining about the facilities since AOC and other Dems. like her voted against additional funding for improving facilities and processing detainees. I suspect most of the rest of us that you are trying to smear would greatly prefer that the illegals simply be sent home immediately since the majority of them don't have a legitimate claim to asylum in the first place. Also, doesn't the notion that foreign criminals on US soil deserve better facilities than the homegrown variety of criminal strike you as a least a little suspect, if not completely ridiculous?

 

[T.Lex]

Actually it seems that the ones that most like to keep the detainees in jail like facilities are those that like to make political hay out of complaining about the facilities since AOC and other Dems. like her voted against additional funding for improving facilities and processing detainees. I suspect most of the rest of us that you are trying to smear would greatly prefer that the illegals simply be sent home immediately since the majority of them don't have a legitimate claim to asylum in the first place. Also, doesn't the notion that foreign criminals on US soil deserve better facilities than the homegrown variety of criminal strike you as a least a little suspect, if not completely ridiculous?

I'm not sure what prism you use to read INGO, but there was no smear in my post. Its an observation about the PR of the situation. Look no further than here on INGO to see the support for the jail-like conditions.

Otherwise, I think we agree. This is a political money game, using immigrants as pawns. To the extent that observation is an indictment, it is of both sides.

To me, everyone that comes here and claims asylum/refugee/some other status deserves due process of our laws. If they meet the relevant criteria to stay, they should get to stay. If they don't, then they should be sent back to whatever border they crossed and handed over to the authorities there. Take their identifiers (at least fingerprint, but maybe even DNA if it can be inexpensively archived), and future attempts will be met with more and more skepticism.

The Administration can decide how to staff and fund the due process. There's a bit of a pick-your-poison choice, because if they devote a ton of resources/money, then the deportation go up (which seems to me the more palatable choice, but that's not my call) but if they cut the resources/money, then the deportations go down and the detentions go up. They may be trying for some sort of deterrent effect (which is unlikely to work), and that's their call.

 

[Dead Duck]

So we are now spinning the illegals illegally border jumping as a political stunt by both sides? Really?

Someone needs to visit the southern border. Pick a spot.... anywhere. The left has been fanning the flames for a long time now. They have been funding this latest kaos in order to cause disorder on our soil. But they're using real people to do it.

It's an old problem and the left is making it worse ON PURPOSE. If you side with the left? Own it or STFU and visit the border yourself.

Trump has been trying to implement the border fix the second he got hired and the left had done nothing constructive to help but have block him at every turn. You want to help with all this border crisis crap? Let Trump do his job by supporting him.

 

[T.Lex]

So we are now spinning the illegals illegally border jumping as a political stunt by both sides? Really?

Someone needs to visit the southern border. Pick a spot.... anywhere. The left has been fanning the flames for a long time now. They have been funding this latest kaos in order to cause disorder on our soil. But they're using real people to do it.

It's an old problem and the left is making it worse ON PURPOSE. If you side with the left? Own it or STFU and visit the border yourself.

Trump has been trying to implement the border fix the second he got hired and the left had done nothing constructive to help but have block him at every turn. You want to help with all this border crisis crap? Let Trump do his job by supporting him.

Trump can only close out twitter long enough to golf, so there isn't enough time to do his job.

Regardless, the political stunting involves the "concentration camp" rhetoric. That's the kabuki theater (of the absurd).

Trump couldn't care less about actually fixing the border. If the border gets fixed, he loses a wedge issue that is central to his schtick.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Trump can only close out twitter long enough to golf, so there isn't enough time to do his job.

Regardless, the political stunting involves the "concentration camp" rhetoric. That's the kabuki theater (of the absurd).

Trump couldn't care less about actually fixing the border. If the border gets fixed, he loses a wedge issue that is central to his schtick.

Wait, what? Can’t do his job because of Twitter? Does that mean you can’t complete your job duties because you’re always posting on ingo? Maybe he can’t do his job because everything he introduces gets protested or he has to deal with investigations for every fart and cough?

And you really think the border not being fixed has more leverage than being able to proclaim he fixed it? I don’t think so

 

[Phase2]

Trump couldn't care less about actually fixing the border. If the border gets fixed, he loses a wedge issue that is central to his schtick.

Congratulations. When did you pick up mind reading as a skill?

 

[2A_Tom]

That is one of T Lex's super powers, along with knowing your motives.

 

[T.Lex]

Trump is clearly willing to work "across the aisle" to make budget and funding deals to avoid another government shutdown. Deals that don't include funds for the wall.
Trump, Pelosi Reach Budget/Debt Limit Deal

And, despite promising that Mexico would pay for the wall, Trump refused to accept a brokered deal back in the day that would be a compromise, but would fund at least the start of the border wall. I'm sure INGO remembers the government shutdown Trump used to try an leverage money for the wall.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/10/18258792/trump-border-wall-budget-request-2020

His actions reveal that he would rather avoid any meaningful progress on the border/immigration in favor of keeping it as a wedge issue.

Mind reading optional.

 

[Dead Duck]

And yet the wall is being built as we [STRIKE]speak[/STRIKE] type.
....with ZERO help from the left.

 

[T.Lex]

And yet the wall is being built as we [STRIKE]speak[/STRIKE] type.
....with ZERO help from the left.

Are you sure?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office

 

[2A_Tom]

Heck, we wouldn't want anything to be done so we could complain that nothing is getting done rather than complain that trump is a closet democrat working with nancy.