The Open Carry Argument

[ATM]

I forgot to respond to the final question in this post:

...Yes it's my constitutional right to open carry with a permit but is it really worth all the hassle?

It is your right to carry, the Constitution does not provide any authority to the government it created to infringe upon that right, it further specifies that the right may not be infringed, yet various permit processes and other infringements have occurred despite that glaring restriction.

Is it really worth "all the hassle" to exercise a right, even a right infringed? You bet it is. Many sacrificed their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to secure those rights for us.

 

[88GT]

Why did you REPEAT what he just said?

I didn't. But I'm guessing you didn't see my comment for what it really was either.

 

[AndersonIN]

I was in full agreement with your assessment.

 

[88GT]

I was in full agreement with your assessment.

Okay, sorry. I guess I'm the one who is missing the "between the lines" meaning. This is awkward.

 

[Bmurray699]

I open carry here in Reno, Nevada. I have never been hassled or questioned about carrying.

 

[nakinate]

I open carry here in Reno, Nevada. I have never been hassled or questioned about carrying.

Welcome! What brings you to INGO?

 

[Bmurray699]

Welcome! What brings you to INGO?

Another forum for knowledge

 

[Birds Away]

It's not for pussies, that's for sure.

Sarcasm aside it is, as you well know,...and/or admirers thereof.

 

[wizard_of_ahs]

I've been open carrying for 40+ years

 

[ChristianPatriot]

I forgot to respond to the final question in this post:



It is your right to carry, the Constitution does not provide any authority to the government it created to infringe upon that right, it further specifies that the right may not be infringed, yet various permit processes and other infringements have occurred despite that glaring restriction.

Is it really worth "all the hassle" to exercise a right, even a right infringed? You bet it is. Many sacrificed their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to secure those rights for us.

This is how I feel about OC. I want to go about my business without drama just like everybody else. But someday we might not be allowed to OC. I'd miss it. I admit it, I CC most of the time. But the more I learn from INGO, the more I think I should, if nothing else, because I still can.

 

[Sirindu]

I read ATM's essay on the first page from beginning to end and wanted to thank him for such a well written piece. Also loved that he cited the Five Stages of Violent Crime theory.

For the whopping three months that I've carried, it has been CC. This has been more for functional reasons rather than philosophical. After reading through ATM's post, especially, my interest in OC has been renewed. The points which I've fallen for in the past (You'll be first target, Surprise) were artfully laid bare. I will probably look into getting an OC holster in the future, though I will still get a majority of CC use out of my current holster for aforementioned functional reasons.

Thanks again! I do hope to encourage others to review ATM's argument carefully and respond, at the very least, to the logical arguments presented.

 

[88GT]

I read ATM's essay on the first page from beginning to end and wanted to thank him for such a well written piece. Also loved that he cited the Five Stages of Violent Crime theory.

For the whopping three months that I've carried, it has been CC. This has been more for functional reasons rather than philosophical. After reading through ATM's post, especially, my interest in OC has been renewed. The points which I've fallen for in the past (You'll be first target, Surprise) were artfully laid bare. I will probably look into getting an OC holster in the future, though I will still get a majority of CC use out of my current holster for aforementioned functional reasons.

Thanks again! I do hope to encourage others to review ATM's argument carefully and respond, at the very least, to the logical arguments presented.

I've been too generous with rep today. But some coming your way when it recharges.

And welcome to INGO.

 

[lonehoosier]

I've been too generous with rep today. But some coming your way when it recharges.

And welcome to INGO.

Got him

 

[Mark 1911]

I read ATM's essay on the first page from beginning to end and wanted to thank him for such a well written piece. Also loved that he cited the Five Stages of Violent Crime theory.

For the whopping three months that I've carried, it has been CC. This has been more for functional reasons rather than philosophical. After reading through ATM's post, especially, my interest in OC has been renewed. The points which I've fallen for in the past (You'll be first target, Surprise) were artfully laid bare. I will probably look into getting an OC holster in the future, though I will still get a majority of CC use out of my current holster for aforementioned functional reasons.

Thanks again! I do hope to encourage others to review ATM's argument carefully and respond, at the very least, to the logical arguments presented.

I joined INGO in June of 2012. I had some preconceived notions about OC. ATM set me straight. I give him 95% of the credit. The other 5% I attribute to getting sick and tired of wearing an extra layer of clothing in hot weather just to conceal. I've since become an avid OCer!

 

[ATM]

Sirindu, I can't take credit for the essay in the OP, but I do love to discuss (yes, even argue) the topic.

I appreciate that you considered the subject with an open mind and expanded your own logical reasoning and options. Again, welcome to INGO.

 

[Sirindu]

I joined INGO in June of 2012. I had some preconceived notions about OC. ATM set me straight. I give him 95% of the credit. The other 5% I attribute to getting sick and tired of wearing an extra layer of clothing in hot weather just to conceal. I've since become an avid OCer!

A valid point. We'll see how long I last once it finally warms up around here.

Thank you all for the very warm welcome!

Sirindu, I can't take credit for the essay in the OP, but I do love to discuss (yes, even argue) the topic.

I appreciate that you considered the subject with an open mind and expanded your own logical reasoning and options. Again, welcome to INGO.

Haha! You know what, I remember that now but by the time I'd finished the essay I'd forgotten that you were not the author. Many thanks, all the same. =)

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

Got him

Me too.

 

[ModernGunner]

I carry a gun.

I don't OC to 'flaunt my rights', I don't CC because I'm 'afraid to flaunt my rights'.

There are times when OC is appropriate, and inappropriate. There are times when CC is appropriate, and inappropriate.

I am wise enough to know the difference. I have to be, because...

I carry a gun.

 

[lonehoosier]

I carry a gun.

I don't OC to 'flaunt my rights', I don't CC because I'm 'afraid to flaunt my rights'.

There are times when OC is appropriate, and inappropriate. There are times when CC is appropriate, and inappropriate.

I am wise enough to know the difference. I have to be, because...

I carry a gun.

So please educate me. What is a inappropriate time to OC and CC.

 

[actaeon277]

So please educate me. What is a inappropriate time to OC and CC.

I think if you believe it is inappropriate to wear it OC, then it is inappropriate.