The Ferguson thread

[BehindBlueI's]

Maybe I've been doing this job too long. I've never had an issue determining the race of a driver. At night it can be tricky in unlit areas, but during the day, never had an issue.

Before the stop? You see someone run a red light ahead of you, and you know what race they are? You run radar and get a speed you're going to stop and you already know what race they are?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Before the stop? You see someone run a red light ahead of you, and you know what race they are? You run radar and get a speed you're going to stop and you already know what race they are?

Polarized lens.

 

[nakinate]

Before the stop? You see someone run a red light ahead of you, and you know what race they are? You run radar and get a speed you're going to stop and you already know what race they are?

Yes, the human race.

 

[Dead Duck]

Before the stop? You see someone run a red light ahead of you, and you know what race they are? You run radar and get a speed you're going to stop and you already know what race they are?

Wouldn't it just be easier to pass a law that your car needs to be the same color as the owner?




I never understood the race thing.
Race has never been an issue in my family and I have taught that to my children. My issue with people is doing right or wrong.

In this Ferg case- Some dude did wrong. Dude got caught. Dude put up a fight. Dude got shot. Bad dude was bad.
Who's the jackass who made this racist? Color of the bad dude is irrelevant. Color of the cop is also irrelevant.
Question if it was it a good shoot - bad shoot? Fine - Have an investigation. Still has nothing to do with race.

Am I simplifying this too much?

 

[hoosierdoc]

No, you're not simplifying too much.

you're just fighting a false argument. Those screaming race will do so whenever they can. They know this isn't about race, and they don't care.

 

[copperhead-1911]

2 racist emails cited in federal report on Ferguson police prompt outrage - LA Times

Well, using work emails to send racist jokes certainty doesn't help your cause.

I forget which one, but it was wrong. It was funny, but wrong. Sending it from a work email is stupid. Sadly if it were a black official i think there would be less issues. There is a double standard of how we judge people.

 

[Kutnupe14]

And your assertion is that in Ferguson the police drive around looking for Black people driving cars and then pull them over?

Do you sit with a radar gun and give speeding tickets? Do you find it easy to identify the race of the driver before you decide whether to pull them over?

I don't do the radar gun thing. I find it incredibly easy to determine race before I pull them over. If I wanted to, I could easily pull over all black people if I wanted. Seriously is my eyesight just that good? No one else can tell the race and sex of most of the drivers they see on the road? You guys need to eat more carrots.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Before the stop? You see someone run a red light ahead of you, and you know what race they are? You run radar and get a speed you're going to stop and you already know what race they are?

If theryre ahead of me, how would I know? Im looking at a headrest and the top of a head.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

If theryre ahead of me, how would I know? Im looking at a headrest and the top of a head.

I've never had an issue determining the race of a driver.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'll amend, If I can look through the windows and the driver is not obscured by anything, then I don't have an issue determining race.

 

[nakinate]

I'll amend, If I can look through the windows and the driver is not obscured by anything, then I don't have an issue determining race.

Can't do that. No take backs!

 

[KLB]

I'll amend, If I can look through the windows and the driver is not obscured by anything, then I don't have an issue determining race.

That's the point though. How often is that the situation for a traffic stop?

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's the point though. How often is that the situation for a traffic stop?

I'm not following?

 

[hopper68]

That's the point though. How often is that the situation for a traffic stop?

I'm not following?

Is social position a reason to pull over/not pull over an individual. 2 cars speeding down the road, do you pull over the high end vehicle and have to fight a high priced lawyer in court or do you pull over the beater vehicle because it is cheaper to him to just pay the ticket?

 

[VUPDblue]

Is social position a reason to pull over/not pull over an individual. 2 cars speeding down the road, do you pull over the high end vehicle and have to fight a high priced lawyer in court or do you pull over the beater vehicle because it is cheaper to him to just pay the ticket?

I'm sure that question makes sense to you but it makes none to me. That there is way too much peripheral thinking for a simple traffic stop, and it also operates under the assumption that the purpose of the stop is to write a ticket.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Is social position a reason to pull over/not pull over an individual. 2 cars speeding down the road, do you pull over the high end vehicle and have to fight a high priced lawyer in court or do you pull over the beater vehicle because it is cheaper to him to just pay the ticket?

if the cars are side by side, I'd run both plates and see who has the worse history, and then pull them over. If one is abreast of the other, I don't care which is which, I'm pulling over the first vehicle. As if I pulled over the trailing vehicle, they could justifiably ask why I pulled them, and not the first vehicle, assuming I didn't have any difficulty pulling over either (which would be compounded more if the trailing vehicle was a "hoopty."

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm sure that question makes sense to you but it makes none to me. That there is way too much peripheral thinking for a simple traffic stop, and it also operates under the assumption that the purpose of the stop is to write a ticket.

That's how I took it

 

[hopper68]

I'm sure that question makes sense to you but it makes none to me. That there is way too much peripheral thinking for a simple traffic stop, and it also operates under the assumption that the purpose of the stop is to write a ticket.

On INGO we always assume the worst.

 

[hopper68]

if the cars are side by side, I'd run both plates and see who has the worse history, and then pull them over. If one is abreast of the other, I don't care which is which, I'm pulling over the first vehicle. As if I pulled over the trailing vehicle, they could justifiably ask why I pulled them, and not the first vehicle, assuming I didn't have any difficulty pulling over either (which would be compounded more if the trailing vehicle was a "hoopty."

Good answer.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Apologies to BBI, for the comment referring to a old school cartoon character with poor sight. It was completely lighthearted, and in no way was to be viewed with animosity coming from part.

Kut (got an infraction smackdown)