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The Ferguson thread
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A huge difference. He would have been able to honestly say he didn't mishandle it because he was angry. So this wasn't his first offense, so what? That doesn't change the fact that the wrong person banned him out of spite. That's the point. This isn't the first time that concerns have been raised about how issues were not handled properly. Again, nothing will be done to correct the mistake and the mods will be scratching their heads wondering why people are up in arms the next time an issue comes up.
If my opinion is no longer desired, then I'll ask vupdblue to let me know, and I'll drop it.
He should have asked another mod to evaluate the situation, not flat-out ban.
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Shaun King (from Daily KOS) doesn't like Darren Wilson
Shaun King from Daily Kos unloads on ?uneducated loser? Darren Wilson | Twitchy
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If someone punches me on the job and I lock them up for battery, did I do it out of spite?
Exactly..
First, how would you know he didn't ask other Mods to evaluate?
Second, how would you know WHO banned him if VUPD hadn't admitted to it?
Third, the ban was warranted, period.
We keep getting told we are too harsh, etc, but if you read the Rules, we are actually pretty(very) lenient..
Would you prefer we stick to the "Letter of the Law" as written?
Personally I've only reported about 10% of them do if mine is any clue of an average your math may be off. JK.. Truly I've never reported any of your post. Attempt at humor.
Most Horn's post's as of late seem to be trolling, badgering, confrontational in nature. JMHO. He was looking for it.
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As for the Ferguson PD. I don't know what to believe. What I do know is Daron Wilson made a split second decision that divided the nation. It seems like a lot of fellow cops & citizens agree that it was a tough call and more people agree with his choice then disagree. The DOJ seen to keep throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. So far nothing has.
And every time this issue comes back in the media it divides the black and white community more. I think LEO's and the community's have learned from this experience. I hope (as things go forward) we can continue to learn from this and bring all community's together. LEO, black and white's and every other racie religion and so forth.
We need to stop using this situation as a wedge. Use it as a rope to pull together. JMHO. That's what I'd like to see happen.
You should call another Officer and ask their opinion, and if warranted, have the other Officer make the arrest..
Should VUPD unban Horn and then immediately have one of the other mods ban him again...?
To which cycle are you referring? You have two other mods in here saying that the banning was legit. Either of us would've done the same had we saw the posts and the attacks. So, how again does this make it out of spite? He would've been banned anyway.
1. Because of how fast it was, and what mods were on at the time. Are you saying he did leave it up to someone else?
2. Mods here have been pretty open about bans, and who did them. I'd expect that same level of respect to the users that request such info. It's not required, but like I said, mods have been cool about it.
3. I never said it was unwarranted. Quite the opposite, actually.
My recent view of mods has been positive. I've noticed the past few months have been very quiet when it comes to bans and whatnot. People have been able to discuss sensitive topics without in-thread warnings and outright bans flying around, and I think maybe something went on behind the scenes to cause this. Maybe a discussion among mods, I have no idea. All in all, I like how it's been lately. Mods have seemed "cooler", and less "hammery".
Enforce how you like, but with any decision, thinking before hitting "submit" on that reply may be encouraged. Apologies were already issued, so what's done is done.
Modding a forum and physical abuse in the real world are very different things, but you know that.
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The e-mails sent around among Ferguson officers weren't exactly ... great.
Federal probe uncovers a racist joke about Obama in official Ferguson email - The Washington Post
We can do that if it will make people feel better
Exactly.
HOW it was handled, was perhaps not the best, as has been admitted.. but WHAT was done was exactly what any of us would have done.
^^This.
This is starting to sound like the oft-heard comment in a union worksite that the guy working on something can't fix a related problem due to it preventing a guy from another union from doing his job. That is, a plumber can't fit two pipes together, he has to wait for a pipefitter to show up. Ignore the specific jobs, I've never been a union guy, so I don't know specifics.
VUPDBlue did the job any of us would have done.
He also made a comment most of us would not have made, for which he's apologized. Again, some will accept the apology, others will not.
I hope those of you who will not don't live in glass houses. Those stones you're throwing can come back. Again, no threat. Just saying that if you want him/us to be more lenient, don't be upset when you come to us to handle a problem user and we follow your suggestion.
I haven't said the ban was unwarranted. I've said, and continue to say, the person who issued the ban because he was angry was out of line. If he wanted to make it right, he would reverse his decision. If Hornadylnl is such a problem, it wouldn't be long before he gave another opportunity to receive the game.
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