The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[jamil]

Smart people don't try to use 350,00,000 as a number.

Sure they do. Everyone makes typos. At least that would be the honest interpretation. And I think you made the honest interpretation. Surely you didn’t believe that he put the commas there because he didn’t know any better.

 

[JettaKnight]

Sure they do. Everyone makes typos. At least that would be the honest interpretation. And I think you made the honest interpretation. Surely you didn’t believe that he put the commas there because he didn’t know any better.

ADS has replaced KDS on INGO.

 

[nonobaddog]

Sure they do. Everyone makes typos. At least that would be the honest interpretation. And I think you made the honest interpretation. Surely you didn’t believe that he put the commas there because he didn’t know any better.

You need to take stuff more seriously.

 

[femurphy77]

Looks like AOC has picked up the torch: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/aoc-first-member-congress-address-151647590.html

We all know that the media lives and dies on her every word, or are they over that?

 

[OakRiver]

There is no body language on the internet. Sometimes a question is viewed in the wrong context...and sometimes the response is.

There aren't that many moderates on the forum and those on the far right tend to make an honest debate among moderates and conservatives difficult. A free-for-all develops and lines in the sand are drawn. I don't know if that can change. I do know there are folks on here that ask honest questions and are looking for an honest response...as opposed to a setup for dissection.

So, if you want a real answer, it would be great if you didn't consider opposing views as "deflection". That just creates more irritation.

It would be even better for honest discussion if you don't deflect. What else was your little song earlier, questing the intellect of others, or "no guys no need to be concerned about Biden, 93% of sexual abuse survivors know their victims"? It is hard to claim with any legitimacy that those were honest questions or responses.

But just keep swinging for the fences and claiming that anyone who you think isn't being honest is "far right".

 

[printcraft]

Lucy Flores, the person referenced in your video..from her own op-ed.

Kavanaugh was accused of crimes and was defended mightily here by many including you. I too was in the same camp.

Now there is no accusation of a crime in the op-ed referenced in your video, are you suggesting one was committed? Otherwise, we agree he is way too touchy-feely and needs to stop being touchy-feely.

If Kavanaugh had years and years worth of videos of him groping women and girls I would have probably been in the "****ing creeper is probably guilty" camp.
Pattern of behavior. Tiger and stripes an all of that.


More than just Lucy...

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe...-felt-biden-had-violated-her-personal-space-2

 

[OakRiver]

I asked you if tweets count, I didn't say they were acceptable myself.

Neither of us KNOW what was going on in either the videos or the pictures. One of us is willing to use them as evidence. When someone posts a 5 sec phone video of a police office hitting someone when they are on the ground is it evidence of police brutality or will context matter?

As to the bolded part, couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for the clarification.

I don't know why you think the bolded was important, unless it was because it repeated what you had said. My only addition was that "both are usually smaller pieces of a longer event".

I can tell what is going on in video after video, when a person approaches another to kiss them, and those people, all different, try to move away but are forced into the embrace. What context do you think is missing that would explain that discomfort, over and over again, and the instigator's insistence that the encounter proceed against the signaled wishes of the other person?

 

[OakRiver]

Lucy Flores, the person referenced in your video..from her own op-ed.

Kavanaugh was accused of crimes and was defended mightily here by many including you. I too was in the same camp.

Now there is no accusation of a crime in the op-ed referenced in your video, are you suggesting one was committed? Otherwise, we agree he is way too touchy-feely and needs to stop being touchy-feely.

You seem fixated on the crime part. Let me help with what ties back to the discussion we have been having. INGO is not a court. We don't have a judge, a prosecutor, defense counsel, jury, etc. We are a series of laypeople looking at the information that is available in the public sphere, and giving our opinion on that.

Opinions can be challenged, or changed as information changes.

The Flores example is yet another case where Biden has made a person feel uncomfortable, and there are many many examples of this. That establishes a pattern of behavior, and one that is germane to the discussion as it appears Biden cannot read, understand or respect social boundaries or personal space. You can't defend him for that, because he has admitted that is something that he has gotten wrong on many occasions.

With respect to Kavanaugh, his accusations came out of left field, and the majority of those who knew him personally and professionally were shocked by the accusations. That is very different to what we see with Biden, and his publicly documented examples of making people uncomfortable. Kavanaugh was investigated for the accusations, Biden should also be investigated.

 

[foszoe]

ok...

I am also reading that Mueller did not identify grand jury testimony in the full report as submitted to Barr, even though he was instructed to do so. Instead he attempted to squeeze Barr into releasing his team's summaries.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/71900...-of-his-report
READ: Mueller's Letter Expressing Concern About Barr's Summary Of His Report

I would be ashamed to countenance a source capable of employing the Intersectional Acosta (Yamiche Alcindor)

 

[JettaKnight]

You seem fixated on the crime part. Let me help with what ties back to the discussion we have been having. INGO is not a court. We don't have a judge, a prosecutor, defense counsel, jury, etc. We are a series of laypeople looking at the information that is available in the public sphere, and giving our opinion on that.

Opinions can be challenged, or changed as information changes.

The Flores example is yet another case where Biden has made a person feel uncomfortable, and there are many many examples of this. That establishes a pattern of behavior, and one that is germane to the discussion as it appears Biden cannot read, understand or respect social boundaries or personal space. You can't defend him for that, because he has admitted that is something that he has gotten wrong on many occasions.

With respect to Kavanaugh, his accusations came out of left field, and the majority of those who knew him personally and professionally were shocked by the accusations. That is very different to what we see with Biden, and his publicly documented examples of making people uncomfortable. Kavanaugh was investigated for the accusations, Biden should also be investigated.

Ok, I get it now.

It's not about crimes, or laws broken or anything actual criminal, it's just another reason to hate Biden (as if we needed one). Yes, Biden is creepy, but even if he's a perfect gentlemen, he's still not getting my vote. So I guess I don't see the point. While we're at it, let's start a rumor that his wife has a penis, and he's part of a child porn ring run from the basement of the Alamo.


Where this might work is my wife, who really does have TDS. Unfortunately, she doesn't INGO, so she's not seeing this.

 

[OakRiver]

Ok, I get it now.

It's not about crimes, or laws broken or anything actual criminal, it's just another reason to hate Biden (as if we needed one). Yes, Biden is creepy, but even if he's a perfect gentlemen, he's still not getting my vote. So I guess I don't see the point. While we're at it, let's start a rumor that his wife has a penis, and he's part of a child porn ring run from the basement of the Alamo.

Where this might work is my wife, who really does have TDS. Unfortunately, she doesn't INGO, so she's not seeing this.

I don't think you got it.

We are discussing very serious accusations against a public figure, which is based on a reasonably credible accusation on its face, and an established pattern of behavior that is reasonably related to some of the conduct described. If people wish to interpret that is hate, they can choose to do so, as long as they take a very loose definition of "hate". You can also start whatever rumors you so choose, and I hope that people will take them as seriously as the available information is credible.

If you would not like to talk about someone who you have no intention of voting for, then great. We might want to also stop discussing people you are going to vote for because you are going to vote for them anyway. Now how do we roll that out to the community? Do we have a poll on what we can and can't discuss? Do we only invite certain people into threads because thy might have an interest? Or do we keep the system we have in that if you have nothing to add to a topic, or no willingness to add, that you can choose not to participate, and not try to shut down other people?

 

[jamil]

Ok, I get it now.

It's not about crimes, or laws broken or anything actual criminal, it's just another reason to hate Biden (as if we needed one). Yes, Biden is creepy, but even if he's a perfect gentlemen, he's still not getting my vote. So I guess I don't see the point. While we're at it, let's start a rumor that his wife has a penis, and he's part of a child porn ring run from the basement of the Alamo.

Where this might work is my wife, who really does have TDS. Unfortunately, she doesn't INGO, so she's not seeing this.

Well. Okay, but it would keep the rumor going if Biden's wife could wear a dress that showed a crotch tent.

 

[printcraft]

Well. Okay, but it would keep the rumor going if Biden's wife could wear a dress that showed a crotch tent.

Big mike is a swinger...

 

[JettaKnight]

I don't think you got it.

We are discussing very serious accusations against a public figure, which is based on a reasonably credible accusation on its face, and an established pattern of behavior that is reasonably related to some of the conduct described. If people wish to interpret that is hate, they can choose to do so, as long as they take a very loose definition of "hate". You can also start whatever rumors you so choose, and I hope that people will take them as seriously as the available information is credible.

If it's serious, let's get witnesses, let's a court, etc. Just because an accusation is serious, doesn't make it credible.

Otherwise, all this is just, "he's really, really creepy."


I, for one, choose not to act like the Democrats did in the Kavanaugh (and Thomas) hearing.

My grandma, my mom's friend, my wife's aunt... I'd pull away from their hugs too; it didn't make them perverts.

EDIT:

If you would not like to talk about someone who you have no intention of voting for, then great. We might want to also stop discussing people you are going to vote for because you are going to vote for them anyway. Now how do we roll that out to the community? Do we have a poll on what we can and can't discuss? Do we only invite certain people into threads because thy might have an interest? Or do we keep the system we have in that if you have nothing to add to a topic, or no willingness to add, that you can choose not to participate, and not try to shut down other people?

Come to think of it, there was another conservation about this, but it certainly wasn't I that shut it down.

 

[nonobaddog]

Biden may be creepy but he is still the funniest candidate since... uh... uh... OK, he is the funniest candidate ever!

 

[Alpo]

Smart people don't try to use 350,00,000 as a number.

How would you know?

 

[nonobaddog]

How would you know?

I asked one - he said "never".

 

[Alpo]

It would be even better for honest discussion if you don't deflect. What else was your little song earlier, questing the intellect of others, or "no guys no need to be concerned about Biden, 93% of sexual abuse survivors know their victims"? It is hard to claim with any legitimacy that those were honest questions or responses.

But just keep swinging for the fences and claiming that anyone who you think isn't being honest is "far right".

It's not deflection. It is a method of thinking that is different than yours. You think it doesn't specifically address the libelous accusations against a candidate. He's fair game, according to you and others. Trump, of course, is not.

No one bothered to answer whether Biden had ever been brought up on charges for child abuse.

No one seemed concerned that the original thread topic was alleged sexual assault of a WOMAN, not a child.

But, that's OK, because it fit your agenda.

So, my claim of 93% fits within those broad parameters....and would have been followed with a few quotes by Trump about Ivanka. Foz beat me to it with a picture.

 

[Alpo]

I asked one - he said "never".

You'd have to provide us with the question you posted, his/her response and a college transcript along with associated work experience of the individual. We will then judge whether you actually know anyone who could be classified as smart. Since you are in Minnesota, I doubt they get over that hurdle.

 

[indyartisan]

There are a lot of very smart people out here without college degrees.