The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Ingomike]

I think that, honestly, is more fake news. Berniecrats don’t want Clinton, establishment Democrats don’t want Clinton. The only people that want Clinton to win the nomination are those that want a repeat of 2016.

Your assessment is good, calling an opinion fake news is not...

 

[Ingomike]

^^^^^

The reality is that candidates like Trump and Sanders are attractive because they represent an alternative to the status-quo. The Democrats thought that screaming "racist" would be enough to defeat Trump, and now the Republicans think that screaming "socialist" will be enough.

Rep sent...

 

[Ingomike]

One thing that is odd to me, why do we as a society accept the media doing the equivalent of reporting on practice telling us exactly how the game will turn out. Practice and games are completely different as are national polls and primary or electoral college results. Why even spend the money for national polls? The have absolutely no relevance, ask Joe Biden. Why does not one major outfit poll based on electoral college layout? Why are there few national polls on individual primary's?

 

[Leadeye]

Big media has successfully turned politics into an entertainment money maker whether it's the tv news or the internet. We have come a long way from Walter.


How a candidate looks on tv has been important since Kennedy/Nixon.

 

[nonobaddog]

Big media has successfully turned politics into an entertainment money maker whether it's the tv news or the internet. We have come a long way from Walter.

So true. And as long as they keep making money this way it will probably proceed along this trajectory all the way to absurd. Actually it is almost there now.

 

[printcraft]

Now let's get back on track. Dick Morris scurried out of the woodwork...

Here’s the deal that I think is going down. I think Hillary and Bloomberg have gotten together and cooked up a scheme,” Morris said on The Cats Roundtable radio show on Sunday.


Morris said that he believes Bloomberg will stay in the race until the Democratic National Convention even if he stands no chance of winning — simply to pull support from Senator Bernie Sanders, and prevent him from gaining an insurmountable lead.

“Nobody will be nominated on the first ballot, and it’ll go to a second ballot,” Morris said. “The problem is that the party establishment doesn’t have a candidate. They can’t do Bloomberg because he got killed in the debate. … Can’t do [Joe] Biden because he’s already lost the front-runner status. … [Pete] Buttigieg looks like a high school kid at the Model UN. … [Elizabeth] Warren is third, but she’s pretty far to the Left, and they’re not going to want to trust her.”


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The Clinton insider said he believes that Clinton would enter during the second ballot at the brokered convention.


“And then Hillary begins to gain; the other candidates begin to drop out. And Hillary is the nominee. That, I think, is the establishment scenario,” he said. “Hillary is the only candidate that they’ll be able to come up with that can measure up to Donald Trump.”


Clinton has said that she has no interest in being Bloomberg’s running mate.

Yep...

 

[actaeon277]

Did Sen. Sanders just lose Florida?
He just praised Cuba's healthcare and education.



https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmakers-lash-sanders-latest-165457409.html
Florida lawmakers lash out at Sanders' latest Castro praise

“I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro,” Rep. Donna Shalala, D-Fla., whose district in Miami has a large population of Cuban-born residents who escaped the communist regime, wrote on Twitter Sunday.
...
Shalala’s remark followed “60 Minutes” interview earlier that night with Sanders in which reporter Anderson Cooper grilled the presidential contender about comments he made in the 1980s that the reason why Cubans didn’t challenge Castro and help the U.S. overthrow him was because "he educated their kids, gave them health care, totally transformed the society."
...
“The Castro regime murdered and jailed dissidents, and caused unspeakable harm to too many South Florida families," added the freshman Democrat, who represents parts of South Florida, including portions of Miami-Dade County. "To this day, it remains an authoritarian regime that oppresses its people, subverts the free press, and stifles a free society.”
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a Cuban American whose parents immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba before Castro took over, lashed out at Sanders on Twitter on Sunday night. “Likely Dem nominee praised the supposed 'achievements' Castro regime. And he’s wrong about why people didn’t overthrow Castro. It’s not because 'he educated their kids, gave them health care.' It‘s because his opponents were jailed, murdered or exiled.”
Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., a former governor of Florida, said Sanders displayed “willful ignorance.”



https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...o-its-unfair-to-simply-say-everything-is-bad/
Bernie Sanders Praises Fidel Castro: ‘It’s Unfair to Simply Say Everything Is Bad’



[video=youtube;BzoE0iO3JH8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzoE0iO3JH8[/video]

 

[2A_Tom]

Interesting that some do not consider "big cheeto" pejorative.

 

[jamil]

Did Sen. Sanders just lose Florida?
He just praised Cuba's healthcare and education.



https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmakers-lash-sanders-latest-165457409.html
Florida lawmakers lash out at Sanders' latest Castro praise

“I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro,” Rep. Donna Shalala, D-Fla., whose district in Miami has a large population of Cuban-born residents who escaped the communist regime, wrote on Twitter Sunday.
...
Shalala’s remark followed “60 Minutes” interview earlier that night with Sanders in which reporter Anderson Cooper grilled the presidential contender about comments he made in the 1980s that the reason why Cubans didn’t challenge Castro and help the U.S. overthrow him was because "he educated their kids, gave them health care, totally transformed the society."
...
“The Castro regime murdered and jailed dissidents, and caused unspeakable harm to too many South Florida families," added the freshman Democrat, who represents parts of South Florida, including portions of Miami-Dade County. "To this day, it remains an authoritarian regime that oppresses its people, subverts the free press, and stifles a free society.”
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a Cuban American whose parents immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba before Castro took over, lashed out at Sanders on Twitter on Sunday night. “Likely Dem nominee praised the supposed 'achievements' Castro regime. And he’s wrong about why people didn’t overthrow Castro. It’s not because 'he educated their kids, gave them health care.' It‘s because his opponents were jailed, murdered or exiled.”
Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., a former governor of Florida, said Sanders displayed “willful ignorance.”



https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...o-its-unfair-to-simply-say-everything-is-bad/
Bernie Sanders Praises Fidel Castro: ‘It’s Unfair to Simply Say Everything Is Bad’



[video=youtube;BzoE0iO3JH8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzoE0iO3JH8[/video]

It’s nothing he hasn’t said before. It’s not a lot different from non-cubans though. Older people don’t like socialism. Younger people don’t have a problem with it. Cubans offset more towards not socialism. Anyway it’s not likely that anyone who would have voted for Sanders before, just heard this and now won’t vote for him. Their minds were likely already made up.

 

[jamil]

Interesting that some do not consider "big cheeto" pejorative.

It is. But it seems we’re not caring about characterizing the other with pejoratives.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

It’s nothing he hasn’t said before...

Important, because the second they saw his results in the most recent primary and knew he'd be the front-runner... the attacks started coming out hard. This stuff has been around, and no one cared about it until it was all-but decided that he'd be the nominee.

 

[actaeon277]

Important, because the second they saw his results in the most recent primary and knew he'd be the front-runner... the attacks started coming out hard. This stuff has been around, and no one cared about it until it was all-but decided that he'd be the nominee.

It's different, in that they can't excuse it away as, "oh, that was decades ago".
This is recent.
As for his comments on healthcare and education, maybe he should talk to people that actually experienced it, and not the stuff he was spoon fed.

 

[BugI02]

Im confused. Did the traits that define conservatives begin after WW2? Can you please name me of those conservative persons who were at the forefront of this budding ideology immediately after that war?

FYI, you’re being set up. I figured if you attempt this question, you should know the perils.

Russell Kirk, Robt. Taft/Fred Hartley, Eisenhower, and culminating with Goldwater and Buckley

I went for post WWII because when we go too far back things become too caught up in identity/who was a conservative

Pretty much since Buckley, the problem has been the 'vision thing' with a carve-out for Reagan; who like Trump had/supported some conservative ideas but came by his conservative bona fides in a roundabout way

Like was said at the time (paraphrasing) 'Shouldn't conservatism be about maintaining standards, upholding civility, and frowning on rebellion?'

I expect you to want to take that statement and run with it, but think about it first. The standards that held sway when Trump took office were definitely not conservative, civility wasn't getting it done and rebellion was just about the only viable option. You can't fight to conserve traditional values (ie: some version of freedom, faith, fealty and flag) without first reinstating them

 

[BugI02]

Repeat every four years prior to today, and going forward from today.

It's just an empty line, to be honest. Like every candidate saying "This is the moment where we decide the direction the country goes..." or "This is the most important election of our lives, we're doomed if the other guy wins..."

It's not real.

Tell that to the people of Virginia

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Tell that to the people of Virginia

Yeah, but I think local politics is easier to deal with. Lot of sanctuaries popped up in response to those laws, and some failed to pass.

The people can make a far bigger impact in their state with their voices than they can federally.

 

[BugI02]

One thing that is odd to me, why do we as a society accept the media doing the equivalent of reporting on practice telling us exactly how the game will turn out. Practice and games are completely different as are national polls and primary or electoral college results. Why even spend the money for national polls? The have absolutely no relevance, ask Joe Biden. Why does not one major outfit poll based on electoral college layout? Why are there few national polls on individual primary's?

Because polling is not purely scientific (if it ever was), it is agenda driven and amenable to deliberate distortions befogged by 'mathematics'

Figures lie and liars figure

 

[2A_Tom]

Yeah, but I think local politics is easier to deal with. Lot of sanctuaries popped up in response to those laws, and some failed to pass.

The people can make a far bigger impact in their state with their voices than they can federally.

Do I take this to mean that the fight will be exponentially more difficult at the federal level, if the same people are elected?

 

[BugI02]

Did Sen. Sanders just lose Florida?
He just praised Cuba's healthcare and education.



https://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmakers-lash-sanders-latest-165457409.html
Florida lawmakers lash out at Sanders' latest Castro praise

“I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro,” Rep. Donna Shalala, D-Fla., whose district in Miami has a large population of Cuban-born residents who escaped the communist regime, wrote on Twitter Sunday.
...
Shalala’s remark followed “60 Minutes” interview earlier that night with Sanders in which reporter Anderson Cooper grilled the presidential contender about comments he made in the 1980s that the reason why Cubans didn’t challenge Castro and help the U.S. overthrow him was because "he educated their kids, gave them health care, totally transformed the society."
...
“The Castro regime murdered and jailed dissidents, and caused unspeakable harm to too many South Florida families," added the freshman Democrat, who represents parts of South Florida, including portions of Miami-Dade County. "To this day, it remains an authoritarian regime that oppresses its people, subverts the free press, and stifles a free society.”
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a Cuban American whose parents immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba before Castro took over, lashed out at Sanders on Twitter on Sunday night. “Likely Dem nominee praised the supposed 'achievements' Castro regime. And he’s wrong about why people didn’t overthrow Castro. It’s not because 'he educated their kids, gave them health care.' It‘s because his opponents were jailed, murdered or exiled.”
Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fla., a former governor of Florida, said Sanders displayed “willful ignorance.”



https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...o-its-unfair-to-simply-say-everything-is-bad/
Bernie Sanders Praises Fidel Castro: ‘It’s Unfair to Simply Say Everything Is Bad’

I still think it would be unwise to underestimate Bernie's appeal as a kind 'Trump on the left'. Remember when everything Trump did and said was supposed to be the last straw that would doom him, but it never happened. You have to give Bernie credit for being authentic and I think people on the left will react to that the same way people on the right did to Trump. I predict his popularity will slowly climb and be very resilient. I believe he will get the nomination unless superdelegates are used to rob him of it. And I believe the Dems are in a lose-lose situation - knife Bernie and let the air out of the hopes of the most activist and motivated part of the party or nominate him and find out that 65-70% of the elctorate will not have a socialist government in the US

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Do I take this to mean that the fight will be exponentially more difficult at the federal level, if the same people are elected?

No, I just think so little actually happens on a federal level that matters enough to justify the apocalyptic reactions to every election.

 

[nonobaddog]

Tell that to the people of Virginia

And those in california, new york city, chicago, etc., etc. It is pretty widespread already. This is not a good time to stick one's head in the sand (or other places) and sing "la la la" real loud.