The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Ingomike]

Now let's get back on track. Dick Morris scurried out of the woodwork...

Here’s the deal that I think is going down. I think Hillary and Bloomberg have gotten together and cooked up a scheme,” Morris said on The Cats Roundtable radio show on Sunday.


Morris said that he believes Bloomberg will stay in the race until the Democratic National Convention even if he stands no chance of winning — simply to pull support from Senator Bernie Sanders, and prevent him from gaining an insurmountable lead.

“Nobody will be nominated on the first ballot, and it’ll go to a second ballot,” Morris said. “The problem is that the party establishment doesn’t have a candidate. They can’t do Bloomberg because he got killed in the debate. … Can’t do [Joe] Biden because he’s already lost the front-runner status. … [Pete] Buttigieg looks like a high school kid at the Model UN. … [Elizabeth] Warren is third, but she’s pretty far to the Left, and they’re not going to want to trust her.”


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The Clinton insider said he believes that Clinton would enter during the second ballot at the brokered convention.


“And then Hillary begins to gain; the other candidates begin to drop out. And Hillary is the nominee. That, I think, is the establishment scenario,” he said. “Hillary is the only candidate that they’ll be able to come up with that can measure up to Donald Trump.”


Clinton has said that she has no interest in being Bloomberg’s running mate.

 

[nonobaddog]

Actually supporting any of the candidates on the left this time is being a traitor to American gun owners and the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Actually supporting any of the candidates on the left this time is being a traitor to American gun owners and the Constitution of the United States.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Actually supporting any of the candidates on the left this time is being a traitor to American gun owners and the Constitution of the United States.

Repeat every four years prior to today, and going forward from today.

It's just an empty line, to be honest. Like every candidate saying "This is the moment where we decide the direction the country goes..." or "This is the most important election of our lives, we're doomed if the other guy wins..."

It's not real.

 

[nonobaddog]

Repeat every four years prior to today, and going forward from today.

It's just an empty line, to be honest. Like every candidate saying "This is the moment where we decide the direction the country goes..." or "This is the most important election of our lives, we're doomed if the other guy wins..."

It's not real.

I can only hope you are close to right and not just naive. I could just see the people in Germany saying the same thing in the 1930's or the people in Venezuela saying the same thing in the 1990's.


Famous last words - It can't happen here.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I can only hope you are close to right and not just naive. I could just see the people in Germany saying the same thing in the 1930's or the people in Venezuela saying the same thing in the 1990's.


Famous last words - It can't happen here.

Godwin’s Law is as true now as it ever was. The comparison is difficult to find merit with... Nazis, South American Socialists, and Democrats ... all peas in a pod.... in some alternate reality, I’m sure. Just not this one.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Now let's get back on track. Dick Morris scurried out of the woodwork...

Here’s the deal that I think is going down. I think Hillary and Bloomberg have gotten together and cooked up a scheme,” Morris said on The Cats Roundtable radio show on Sunday.


Morris said that he believes Bloomberg will stay in the race until the Democratic National Convention even if he stands no chance of winning — simply to pull support from Senator Bernie Sanders, and prevent him from gaining an insurmountable lead.

“Nobody will be nominated on the first ballot, and it’ll go to a second ballot,” Morris said. “The problem is that the party establishment doesn’t have a candidate. They can’t do Bloomberg because he got killed in the debate. … Can’t do [Joe] Biden because he’s already lost the front-runner status. … [Pete] Buttigieg looks like a high school kid at the Model UN. … [Elizabeth] Warren is third, but she’s pretty far to the Left, and they’re not going to want to trust her.”


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The Clinton insider said he believes that Clinton would enter during the second ballot at the brokered convention.


“And then Hillary begins to gain; the other candidates begin to drop out. And Hillary is the nominee. That, I think, is the establishment scenario,” he said. “Hillary is the only candidate that they’ll be able to come up with that can measure up to Donald Trump.”


Clinton has said that she has no interest in being Bloomberg’s running mate.

I think that, honestly, is more fake news. Berniecrats don’t want Clinton, establishment Democrats don’t want Clinton. The only people that want Clinton to win the nomination are those that want a repeat of 2016.

 

[GIJEW]

I think there are a few things you're not considering about Democrats' support for Sanders.


Next in line on the list nationally is Elizabeth Warren with 19%, the self-described capitalist between the two. Joe Biden, a moderate, is in 3rd place with "17%. And the rest follow with modest to insignificant support.

elizabeth "you didn't build that, it was the government" warren can described herself as a capitalist but she also claimed her name was faux-ca-hauntis. Maybe biden is only a moderately kleptomanic associate of oligarchs? I think the DNC leans much harder left than bernie's 28%. pelosi's inability to control "the squad" is an indicator of that. As for the rest, "anybody but trump" and party loyalty will either bring them along with the socialists or they'll stay home.

 

[nonobaddog]

Godwin’s Law is as true now as it ever was. The comparison is difficult to find merit with... Nazis, South American Socialists, and Democrats ... all peas in a pod.... in some alternate reality, I’m sure. Just not this one.

Oh, that’s right, socialism will work this time because we are different and they didn’t do it right.
Everybody has heard that .

 

[Kutnupe14]

Oh, that’s right, socialism will work this time because we are different and they didn’t do it right.
Everybody has heard that .

Yes they have, and most of them have no idea what socialism even is, what nations practice it, nor to what degree. They just hear "socialism" and are immediately antagonistic.... but they sure did/do love the GI Bill, Social Security, Public Education, Food and Drug inspections, Postal Services, and on, and on, and on....

 

[Twangbanger]

I received this in an email from a friend. This type of thing usually has fallacies in it but I'll pass it along unvetted because I don't care enough and I don't believe the dumocraps will let him have the nomination anyhow.



"American freedoms are no more than one generation away from extinction" - President Reagan -

The stuff you're posting about sepia-toned vintage Bernie do not matter to the people supporting him. They don't care if he was "wrong" then. The question is, is he "right" about what's going on now? If the answer to that question for the young voter is "yes," **** he did decades ago is irrelevant. This is the same stuff people were saying about Trump this time 4 years ago - he's not really a conservative, he used to be a Democrat, he's going to dupe all you and govern as a liberal, etc., etc., etc. When election day got around, all people cared about was that he was validating what they saw to be true about certain things going on around them. And the "never trumpers" had no answer to that, and they still don't.

The people supporting candidates like Biden do not "get" that liberalism doesn't mean to a young latino person whatever it meant to you while you were going to college and getting mad about Vietnam and Richard Nixon and **** like that. They have never lived that reality. You talk about what the Democrat party offers to "working families," and these kids say wtf are you talking about? You sat around and voted for people like Clinton who sent all the jobs out of the country. The factory unions are basically gone, not because Republicans passed right-to-work laws, but because old farts who benefited from what the Democrats were offering 40 years ago sat around with their thumbs up their asses and kept voting for candidates who were undermining everything the Democrat Party was supposed to stand for, because you were personally doing well in your ****ing university teaching job at the time and did not want the Republicans to win.

Just as the Republican party looks very different to the people who were supporting Trump, those young latinos and others do not have the same sentimental vision of what the Democrat party represents, that their elders do. Just as the old GOP never trumper farts sat around and watched the party go away from them, like a space-walk where they're un-tethered from the ship, the Democrat Party is doing the exact same thing to the old Biden farts. The party they remember isn't. ****ing. There. Anymore. You let go of what your party was really supposed to stand for, which was a paternalistic socialism based on jobs, and now a whole generation of young liberals who never got the chance to benefit from that, sees no reason to vote for it. For some of them, that reality was gone before they were born. The New Socialism made of daisies and unicorn farts sounds much better to them than the 1960s liberalism Joe Biden is selling (minus the jobs). You free-traded yourselves into oblivion. You thought young people could just "learn to code." Well, they have got a whole new idea about that. They don't even think it's realistic for people to work at _all_, anymore. They want everything free, and people like Bloomberg taxed to pay for it.

You could unearth a whole treasure trove of photos of Bernie Berning American Flags in Times Square. And it would not matter to these people. Because they see him challenging the status quo on its merits, and all the other side can do is stand there and say, "But, but...yer a Socialist!"

Several weeks ago, the Biden campaign was telling us he was supposed to win Nevada on the strength of his traditional relationship with unions - The Casino workers, the culinary workers, etc. They just got the **** hammered out of them. Now "South Carolina" is the firewall...the "blat fotes" is gonna save him. It is almost within the margin of error now! And behind that, Texas (was supposed to be a conservative southern fortress for Biden - now he's trailing there), California (big Bernie win)...and on and on. This is headed in a direction where pretty soon, it will be beyond the party's ability to strong-arm a solution.

You were the ones sitting there telling us four years ago - the Republican Party has become something different and ugly, "you just don't realize it yet." Well, guess what, Traditional Democrats? What just happened in Nevada is your party now. Nevada isn't Massachusetts or Oregon; it's not full of hippie communes and Molotov-cocktail throwing WTO protestors. It's one of those "purple" states that used to be Republican. The kind of place where you're supposed to be "owning the suburbs" and "appealing to college-age women." And you just got shellacked from your own left flank there. Because regardless what _you_ personally believe, everything your party has been standing for for the past 40 years is a lie, and your young voters know it.

 

[jamil]

Fail. Try again. Not worshiping at the alter of the big Cheeto isn’t the litmus test for what is or isn’t conservative.

He didn’t say you weren’t conservative because you weren’t worshipping at the alter of the big Cheeto. He said you’re voting for Biden. There are many complaints you could lodge against trump. Having formerly been a Democrat and certain he’s was just pandering to conservatives, he’s actually lead a fairly conservative administration.

Voting for Biden is not a conservative’s choice. If you really are a conservative, it’s a stubborn fool’s choice. I urge you to reconsider. I urge you to be a little more pragmatic. I think you’re looking at things from a distorted perspective.

 

[rob63]

The stuff you're posting about sepia-toned vintage Bernie do not matter to the people supporting him. They don't care if he was "wrong" then. The question is, is he "right" about what's going on now? If the answer to that question for the young voter is "yes," **** he did decades ago is irrelevant. This is the same stuff people were saying about Trump this time 4 years ago - he's not really a conservative, he used to be a Democrat, he's going to dupe all you and govern as a liberal, etc., etc., etc. When election day got around, all people cared about was that he was validating what they saw to be true about certain things going on around them. And the "never trumpers" had no answer to that, and they still don't.

The people supporting candidates like Biden do not "get" that liberalism doesn't mean to a young latino person whatever it meant to you while you were going to college and getting mad about Vietnam and Richard Nixon and **** like that. They have never lived that reality. You talk about what the Democrat party offers to "working families," and these kids say wtf are you talking about? You sat around and voted for people like Clinton who sent all the jobs out of the country. The factory unions are basically gone, not because Republicans passed right-to-work laws, but because old farts who benefited from what the Democrats were offering 40 years ago sat around with their thumbs up their asses and kept voting for candidates who were undermining everything the Democrat Party was supposed to stand for, because you were personally doing well in your ****ing university teaching job at the time and did not want the Republicans to win.

Just as the Republican party looks very different to the people who were supporting Trump, those young latinos and others do not have the same sentimental vision of what the Democrat party represents, that their elders do. Just as the old GOP never trumper farts sat around and watched the party go away from them, like a space-walk where they're un-tethered from the ship, the Democrat Party is doing the exact same thing to the old Biden farts. The party they remember isn't. ****ing. There. Anymore. You let go of what your party was really supposed to stand for, which was a paternalistic socialism based on jobs, and now a whole generation of young liberals who never got the chance to benefit from that, sees no reason to vote for it. For some of them, that reality was gone before they were born. The New Socialism made of daisies and unicorn farts sounds much better to them than the 1960s liberalism Joe Biden is selling (minus the jobs). You free-traded yourselves into oblivion. You thought young people could just "learn to code." Well, they have got a whole new idea about that. They don't even think it's realistic for people to work at _all_, anymore. They want everything free, and people like Bloomberg taxed to pay for it.

You could unearth a whole treasure trove of photos of Bernie Berning American Flags in Times Square. And it would not matter to these people. Because they see him challenging the status quo on its merits, and all the other side can do is stand there and say, "But, but...yer a Socialist!"

Several weeks ago, the Biden campaign was telling us he was supposed to win Nevada on the strength of his traditional relationship with unions - The Casino workers, the culinary workers, etc. They just got the **** hammered out of them. Now "South Carolina" is the firewall...the "blat fotes" is gonna save him. It is almost within the margin of error now! And behind that, Texas (was supposed to be a conservative southern fortress for Biden - now he's trailing there), California (big Bernie win)...and on and on. This is headed in a direction where pretty soon, it will be beyond the party's ability to strong-arm a solution.

You were the ones sitting there telling us four years ago - the Republican Party has become something different and ugly, "you just don't realize it yet." Well, guess what, Traditional Democrats? What just happened in Nevada is your party now. Nevada isn't Massachusetts or Oregon; it's not full of hippie communes and Molotov-cocktail throwing WTO protestors. It's one of those "purple" states that used to be Republican. The kind of place where you're supposed to be "owning the suburbs" and "appealing to college-age women." And you just got shellacked from your own left flank there. Because regardless what _you_ personally believe, everything your party has been standing for for the past 40 years is a lie, and your young voters know it.

^^^^^

That is so well said.

The reality is that candidates like Trump and Sanders are attractive because they represent an alternative to the status-quo. The Democrats thought that screaming "racist" would be enough to defeat Trump, and now the Republicans think that screaming "socialist" will be enough.

People live paycheck-to-paycheck and see no way to get ahead. The establishment needs to address the fact that people are swimming in a sea of debt. Frankly, I think much of it is due to people trying to keep up with the Jones's and buying a lot of crap they don't need. However, there are real issues with the cost of an education, housing, transportation, and health care that need to be addressed. Otherwise, the choices are going to keep getting wackier until we get someone that just wants to tear it all down, we may already be there.

 

[jamil]

Im confused. Did the traits that define conservatives begin after WW2? Can you please name me of those conservative persons who were at the forefront of this budding ideology immediately after that war?

FYI, you’re being set up. I figured if you attempt this question, you should know the perils.

The question is irrelevant. It’s a dodge. How about answering his question? He’s asking you from the perspective of the sociological definition of conservative, someone who wants to conserve traditions. And from the socioeconomic definition, someone who wants to conserve financially. It’s a valid question.

What do you want to conserve? I don’t see a reason to limit it to WWII per se. But it’s reasonable either way.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The question is irrelevant. It’s a dodge. How about answering his question? He’s asking you from the perspective of the sociological definition of conservative, someone who wants to conserve traditions. And from the socioeconomic definition, someone who wants to conserve financially. It’s a valid question.

What do you want to conserve? I don’t see a reason to limit it to WWII per se. But it’s reasonable either way.

No the question is quite relevant. He included the comment about post-WW2 apparently for a reason. I want to know what that reason is. If he defines conservatism as post-WW2 ideology, then it either didn't exist before that time (which we both know is false) or it has changed. I can't answer a question if I don't understand his baseline for conservatism now can I? And while you may want to interject you own opinion of what he's asking, he didn't that.

 

[jamil]

‘The Democrats thought that screaming "racist" would be enough to defeat Trump, and now the Republicans think that screaming "socialist" will be enough.’


That pretty much says it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

He didn’t say you weren’t conservative because you weren’t worshipping at the alter of the big Cheeto. He said you’re voting for Biden. There are many complaints you could lodge against trump. Having formerly been a Democrat and certain he’s was just pandering to conservatives, he’s actually lead a fairly conservative administration.

Voting for Biden is not a conservative’s choice. If you really are a conservative, it’s a stubborn fool’s choice. I urge you to reconsider. I urge you to be a little more pragmatic. I think you’re looking at things from a distorted perspective.

Voting for Biden is one of an exhaustive list of things that if people prefer over the Big Cheeto, Trumplicans think disqualifies them from being a conservative. Voting for Biden IS a conservative's choice, just not your, and obviously other's particular brand of conservatism. My "distorted perspective," is that Trump is one that believes Trump isn't a conservative, has perverted the very meaning, but is quite capable of using his magic pipe to lead his believers out of Hamelin, and off a cliff.

 

[jamil]

No the question is quite relevant. He included the comment about post-WW2 apparently for a reason. I want to know what that reason is. If he defines conservatism as post-WW2 ideology, then it either didn't exist before that time (which we both know is false) or it has changed. I can't answer a question if I don't understand his baseline for conservatism now can I? And while you may want to interject you own opinion of what he's asking, he didn't that.

He asked you what you want to conserve. That to me is a hint that he means it not so much as an ideology, but more as a person who wants to conserve traditions. Ideological conservation is a specific set of traditions contemporary conservatives want to conserve. We’ve moved so far from the traditions of WWII it does not seem right that this is what he means. But I’ve been wrong before guessing what Bug means.

I think the question is, what traditions, post WWII do you want to conserve? The heart of the question is to get you to reveal that you’re really more progressive than conservative in nature.

 

[jamil]

Voting for Biden is one of an exhaustive list of things that if people prefer over the Big Cheeto, Trumplicans think disqualifies them from being a conservative. Voting for Biden IS a conservative's choice, just not your, and obviously other's particular brand of conservatism. My "distorted perspective," is that Trump is one that believes Trump isn't a conservative, has perverted the very meaning, but is quite capable of using his magic pipe to lead his believers out of Hamelin, and off a cliff.

But proof is in the pudding. Here we are, a more prosperous nation than we were before he took office. We’re not worse off geopolitically. For the most part we’re as free as we were before he was elected. Turns out Trump hasn’t led as the racist the press imagined. The world you imagined did not materialize.

Now some people would compare the world that they imagined, to the world that is, and try to reconcile the two. Maybe the things you’ve imagined are bull**** ideological whims. I’m not saying the world with Trump is all peachy, or that we wouldn’t have been better off with a real statesman. But the world with Trump as POTUS is objectively better in the things that matter than either of us imagined. I thought of Trump as a stop gap until we could get someone better.

 

[Kutnupe14]

But proof is in the pudding. Here we are, a more prosperous nation than we were before he took office. We’re not worse off geopolitically. For the most part we’re as free as we were before he was elected. Turns out Trump hasn’t led as the racist the press imagined. The world you imagined did not materialize.

Now some people would compare the world that they imagined, to the world that is, and try to reconcile the two. Maybe the things you’ve imagined are bull**** ideological whims. I’m not saying the world with Trump is all peachy, or that we wouldn’t have been better off with a real statesman. But the world with Trump as POTUS is objectively better in the things that matter than either of us imagined. I thought of Trump as a stop gap until we could get someone better.

"Objectively better?" Well yeah, depending who you are... Oh wait