The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Hatin Since 87]

Got any more on the distinction? I know I am a Republican but I kinda wanna be a Trumplican too. Am I ruled out by being a Republican?

With people like Romney in the Republican Party, and seeing liberals heads explode at the mere mentioning of trump, I’m thinking I might rather be a trumplican.

 

[nonobaddog]

I am a Republican so I am a Republican but I also think I am a Republican so I can be Trumplican too. Cool.

 

[jamil]

I believe they are many people who identify as a Democrat that are sane the problem being when you are associated with Socialist.
Unless someone comes out of left field or the DNC kneecaps him Bernie is the pick and a devout Socialist. A party and it’s members cannot claim they are not Socialist when they are led by a Socialist.

I disagree with the premise that Bernie is a outlier and that if only a moderate existed with cohesive support that Bernie would be stopped. The Democrats are making a choice and the choice is far left Socialist in fact with a wide band of supporters. Bernie is outperforming predictions in every demographic including Ol Joe’s firewall.

So how can a person identify as a Democrat and believe in America?

BTW
We all need to worry about the economy is Bernie is nominated smart people will start moving money in order to protect themselves in a event of a Bernie administration. If he would actually become President the U.S. would plummet into a economic desert and be a very different life than we know now.

I think there are a few things you're not considering about Democrats' support for Sanders.

The voting public isn't monolithic. You saw Bernie racking up wins in a few states, and maybe that makes you think Democrats, as a whole, want Bernie. But those other candidates are getting votes too. Bernie didn't get anywhere near 100%, which is what would have happened if EVERYONE Democrat wanted the openly socialist candidate. In the latest national poll of registered voters, who said they will vote Democrat, Bernie is in the lead with 28%. That means 72% say they support someone else.

Next in line on the list nationally is Elizabeth Warren with 19%, the self-described capitalist between the two. Joe Biden, a moderate, is in 3rd place with "17%. And the rest follow with modest to insignificant support.

Something also to consider, about 32% of those surveyed said they are not likely to vote in their state primary/caucus. That may be because 38% said they think the race will be over by the time their state's primary/caucus election comes around.

I do agree with you about the economy. I think if Bernie is the nominee, the markets will react.

 

[jamil]

You fellas need to hold a meeting and decide whether a university can produce socialists in America if you strenuously object to calling Sweden a socialist country.

What makes you think one has anything to do with the other?

 

[actaeon277]

Heard ANOTHER Bloomberg ad driving into work.
What a load of drivel.

 

[actaeon277]

And why is it, "This election is the most important. The fate of the country will be decided." EVERY FRIGGIN ELECTION?
Every
Election.

 

[Libertarian01]

Whether people like to think it or not I believe Bernie has a good shot at winning v/s Trump.

Bernie will almost certainly take the following states:

California 55
Illinois 20
New York 29
Michigan 16
Vermont 03
N Hamp 04
Mass 11

Total = 138

This leaves him needing only 142. Presuming he takes Pennsylvania (20) & Wisconsin (10), he now needs only 112.

There are a LOT of states on the east coast that are very liberal that I did not count. He beat Hillary in the primary in Michigan so I am pretty sure he'll beat Trump there in the general.

Will he get Florida's 29 votes? Maybe... The older Cubans will vote Trump, but younger Cubans do not have the animosity to socialism/Castro that there parents and grandparents do. They are MUCH more progressive.

If Bloomberg buys the election, Trump wins. Bernie's supporters stay home or vote Trump. If Bernie is cheated out of victory by party politics at the convention, Trump wins. Bernie's supporters stay home or vote Trump.

Whether people like it or not Bernie is pulling the democratic party left just like the Tea Party pulled the republicans right.

We shall see...

Regards,

Doug

 

[Kutnupe14]

Oh. Okay. So you're thinking in terms of the no-true-scotsman purity test. Well, no. A Republican is a person who is either a registered member of the Republican Party, or identifes as, and typically vote for, republican candidates. This includes people people who vote for and support President Trump. Go look at the GOP website. It's pretty Trumpian if you ask me. The party has changed.

My advice is not to put much faith in political parties. Just be an issue-by-issue voter. That way you don't feel disloyal when you find something critically wrong with your own side.

Nevertheless, my complaint was that at the time of the quoted post, I thought we were gonna try not using words like Dumbocrats or Trumplicans, but apparently that's obviously not the case. So **** it.

"We?" I didn't sign on to that, and apparently neither did quite a few other people. And again, please tell me the issue with combining the words "Republican and Trump." Trust me, if I wanted to be offensive, I have a quite a few other euphemisms.

 

[Alpo]

What makes you think one has anything to do with the other?

Because there is a tendency here to throw around terms like a Cheetos food fight. ayiClearly arguing that Bernie is a socialist and will change the USA to a socialist country while at the same time saying Nordic economics is not socialism is about as sticky as the sock drawers of the guys who think it.

 

[Alpo]

And why is it, "This election is the most important. The fate of the country will be decided." EVERY FRIGGIN ELECTION?
Every
Election.

Bloomberg ads are good for the economy. Get it off Wall Street and into the hands of media owners.

 

[2A_Tom]

"We?" I didn't sign on to that, and apparently neither did quite a few other people. And again, please tell me the issue with combining the words "Republican and Trump." Trust me, if I wanted to be offensive, I have a quite a few other euphemisms.

You have, in the past made quite a big deal about people making up pejorative names for their opponents. You had a big influence on me always spelling the party's names correctly.

I do use the term Libprogocrat to describe a position, if that bothers someone then, "If the Foo s wear it."

 

[Kutnupe14]

You have, in the past made quite a big deal about people making up pejorative names for their opponents. You had a big influence on me always spelling the party's names correctly.

I do use the term Libprogocrat to describe a position, if that bothers someone then, "If the Foo s wear it."

Keyword “pejorative.” If I wanted to go that route, I’d say “Republicucks;” which IS a pejorative. Trumplican isnt offensive to anyone but people just looking to complain about something, as Trumplican is something that, at least in Alabama, Trump supporters glad call themselves. At least that’s what FB would have me believe... but that could be Russian Trolls forcing my high school friends to wear “Trumplican” apparel.

 

[Doug]

 

[Brad69]

If you are in a political party that has a Socialist with 28% support who looks to be on track as the nominee as we sit in February that “JFK/Blue Dog/Moderate” Democrat might wanna find a new political home? I understand not all Democrats feel like Bernie or AOC on Socialism I do not think that number will be 70% or so I would say less than 60% will not support Bernie in the Primaries. South Carolina will tell us more I would not be shocked if Bernie won SC as well Biden is only ahead by +3 within error of margin.
In a general election if nominated Bernie will be the Leader of the Democratic “Socialist” Party if you are a member you would embody the ideals of that party which will be Socialist?

 

[Alpo]

The only way Bernie would get a majority of the democrats is if Trump threatened social security. There will of course be an "anyone but Trump vote", but Bernie isn't first choice for most democrats. He is ahead of Elizabeth Warren ... primarily, it seems because she has little going for her in the charisma department. She may impress some female voters and perhaps some New Englanders, but she doesn't do well in the midwest. She might do better on the west coast, but I think Bernie now has the momentum to outlast her.

I've heard more positive talk of Biden this weekend. We'll see how he does on Super Tuesday.

 

[jamil]

Because there is a tendency here to throw around terms like a Cheetos food fight. ayiClearly arguing that Bernie is a socialist and will change the USA to a socialist country while at the same time saying Nordic economics is not socialism is about as sticky as the sock drawers of the guys who think it.

Well, Bernie needs to come clean on what he means when he says he's a "socialist". On the one hand, he says he means he want's something like Denmark's system. And he calls that socialism. Meanwhile, Denmark's PM asked that he stop calling them socialists, because they're not, they have a free market economy and are communists.

Okay, so does that mean Bernie wants THAT kind of "socialism", where it's still a free market capitalist economy, but just with lots of free ****? Well. Remember the bit about how he made the distinction between himself and Warren? She's a capitalist. He is not.

So either Bernie doesn't know what a socialist is, or he really wants something at least a bit more "socialist" than what Denmark has. In many of his conversations he gets really pissed when you start talking about the ills of real ass socialism. He doesn't say, "Well, I'm not that kind of socialist." He deflects and starts talking about the ills of capitalism. So I don't blame people for thinking that Bernie may be a little more socialist than Denmark.

So will he try to change the USA into a socialist country? I don't know. I'd like him to explain exactly what he means when he calls himself a socialist. Antifa types seem to think so.

 

[nonobaddog]

And why is it, "This election is the most important. The fate of the country will be decided." EVERY FRIGGIN ELECTION?
Every
Election.

Yes, I hear that a lot too.
Well, in this election the parties are pretty far apart on almost everything so there is that.
But doesn't it make sense that the current election will always be the most important... by default? You can't do anything about past elections and future elections are not well defined yet.

 

[Leadeye]

Bernie sounds like the sort that will take my 401K and give me a heavily regulated government bond to replace it. Paying for even a small amount of the free stuff he's promising will require cash from somewhere and I've heard the story of more taxes on the rich and famous before.

I wonder if he has any Abbie Hoffman types that will bring out a 1968 style convention if the DNC shows him the door like Eugene McCarthy.

I'm betting if they run Bernie the electoral college will look like 1972.

 

[Dead Duck]

Regardless of all the lies these candidates are spewing, their bottom line is money and power. They will destroy this country if ever elected and that makes them enemies of the state. And what does that make their voters.

Don't any of you people own guns?
If you do and you're considering voting for these traitors, you should just turn your guns in now because you are not worthy of having them. That and you won't be allowed to possess them after they let NATO come in and confiscate them all.

 

[jamil]

Bernie sounds like the sort that will take my 401K and give me a heavily regulated government bond to replace it. Paying for even a small amount of the free stuff he's promising will require cash from somewhere and I've heard the story of more taxes on the rich and famous before.

The other night he advocated forcing companies to give their employees 20% ownership. I guess he likes the incremental steps towards public ownership.