The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[nonobaddog]

1) The quote doesn't say anything about it being a socialist country.

2) You didn't provide a link or further context.

He got that quote from wikipedia. Here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Here is another quote from the same article that explains their economic system is something other than socialist. This part was conveniently ignored.

Economic system

The Nordic model is underpinned by a mixed-market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership,[SUP][29][/SUP] with the exception of Norway which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[SUP][30][/SUP]

The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[SUP][3][/SUP] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][31][/SUP] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly capitalism", with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, contrasting it with the more "cut-throat capitalism" of the United States which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.

 

[nonobaddog]

This quote is right from the Swedish government. It also says it is something other than socialist. Silly American dumocraps.

https://www.government.se/how-sweden-is-governed/

[h=1]How Sweden is governed[/h] Sweden is a parliamentary democracy, which means that all public power proceeds from the people. At the national level, the people are represented by the Riksdag (Swedish parliament) which has legislative power. The Government implements the Riksdag's decisions and draws up proposals for new laws or law amendments.
General elections are an important expression of the fact that we in Sweden live in a democracy. However, there are many ways of influencing Swedish politics, for example by taking part in referendums, joining a political party or sending in your comments on reports presented by the Government.

 

[Alpo]

Oh c'mon. its not like you don't use hyperbolic language when you're riled up. You've called me some things that are what I'd call pretty hyperbolic. And that's how I took it. When you called me a lemming, I didn't think you thought I was actually a lemming. Or hell. Maybe you weren't being intentionally hyperbolic.

And besides. Authority to correct someone? WTF is that? If I correct someone, my "authority" to do so is derived on the correctness of the correction. It doesn't matter if I've never been correct before. If you say Sweden is socialist and I correct you, and I'm right. It's the being "right" part that provides the authority. You stand corrected whether you chose to acknowledge it or not, or whether I have any reputational authority or not.

This is INGO. When the dogpile says someone is a socialist, they are at least socialists, if not Marxists, Leninists, Trotskyites or, heaven forbid, that worst offense, dumocrats. To revert back to pure definitions is contextually diversionary.

And your father smells of elderberries.

 

[Alpo]

This quote is right from the Swedish government. It also says it is something other than socialist. Silly American dumocraps.

https://www.government.se/how-sweden-is-governed/

Your dogpile membership privileges have been suspended. This is an indefinite suspension. You may appeal the decision by emailing FKafka@gmail.com. Good day.

 

[jamil]

Oh. So you know this guy who is Swedish and he tells you that he is not a socialist even though you would call him one if he had the same views and systems in the USA....and you believe him?

I know a Swedish guy WTF are you talking about? I gave you a link to what the prime minister of Denmark says about Denmark's economy. And the link I gave you isn't some right wing site. It's Vox, for crying out loud. The thing you posted says that the Nordic model is pretty much the same. So we should reasonably agree that Sweden is fairly close to Denmark. And the PM otf Denmark called for Bernie to stop saying they are a socialist nation, because they're not.

And hey. I get it. Bernie said those Nordic countries are socialist. I took his word for it too. Until I decided not to. Yes. They have a very socialized system compared to the US. It's not socialist. I don't know why you need it to be.

 

[jamil]

I think you mean "correctitude" of the correction.

That is, the quality of being correct rather than the freedom from error of something.

Duly corrected.

 

[nonobaddog]

Your dogpile membership privileges have been suspended. This is an indefinite suspension. You may appeal the decision by emailing FKafka@gmail.com. Good day.

And you have a good day too, unless you have other plans.

 

[Alpo]

Bernie uses the Nordic model as a point of reference. To most Americans who have a rudimentary understanding of our democratic republic, referring to the Nordic model as socialist is a meaningful shorthand. They are heavily unionized. They pay extraordinarily large portions of their income and take home pay in taxes. They get "free stuff" as a result.

To put a fine point on it as you do from time to time, really serves no purpose. For purposes of INGO, especially, they are socialists except to you and nonobaddog.

Is it pure socialism? No. Is American truly a democratic republic as it exists today? No.

So, there you have it.

 

[nonobaddog]

Don't forget they are NOT socialists according to the Swedes themselves or to the Swedish government or to many economists worldwide.

 

[Alpo]

Think about that the next time you call a fellow citizen a dumocrap, dude.

 

[jamil]

Bernie uses the Nordic model as a point of reference. To most Americans who have a rudimentary understanding of our democratic republic, referring to the Nordic model as socialist is a meaningful shorthand. They are heavily unionized. They pay extraordinarily large portions of their income and take home pay in taxes. They get "free stuff" as a result.

To put a fine point on it as you do from time to time, really serves no purpose. For purposes of INGO, especially, they are socialists except to you and nonobaddog.

Is it pure socialism? No. Is American truly a democratic republic as it exists today? No.

So, there you have it.

Sigh. Let's bring this back around. It's more than a fine point. This is how it started out...

I can think of a few, but those countries had severe problems that couldn't be addressed through socialism. They also had a past replete with (near-)dictatorships.


I don't foresee Sweden becoming a dictatorship.




(This post should not be misconstrued as advocating any form of socialism)

Sweden isn't a socialist economy. It's mixed. But it is primarily a free market mixed with some public ownership. Let's keep the conversation about socialist countries' success stories to actual socialist countries.

Alpo, my point to JK was that Sweden isn't in much danger of falling into a dictatorship because of socialism because they're not socialist. So being socialist or not socialist is not putting a fine point on it, it IS the point.

Dude. It's a socialist country. You sometimes come out with these didactic comments that you aren't called on.

I'm calling you on this one.

And remember, you're the one who called me out. And look. I've done it too. I think I know something and I call someone out on something and I turn out to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong. As I think we both agree now, Sweden is not a socialist country. So we can probably get on with the conversation.

 

[Mikey1911]

Just for the record it seems the consensus is Bloomy is 5'4", I have read reports he is 5'3". In a recent Twitter spat a NYT reporter said she believed this was driving mini-Mike mad based on her 20 years of covering him, she also said he clearly lied on his drivers license when he put 5'10"...

Bloomberg is really 5 feet 10 (centimeters).

 

[jamil]

Think about that the next time you call a fellow citizen a dumocrap, dude.

Well. I'm kinda torn on whether to give a **** or not. While I think it's not helpful, I get it. People look at the idiots, all of them, on the stage yesterday, and it's easy to throw your hands up. And people look at the crazy policies they propose and it's mostly imposing stupid laws and useless taxes on people. People are frustrated by that and it's just this team thing people do. When I visit sites that lean to the left, I see people calling Republicans all kinds of names. Rubes, Republicraps. Repugnican.

And I'll give it to the Dumbocraps. They sure have some wittier names for Repugnicans.

 

[Alpo]

You were only collateral damage and for that I send my regrets. My thoughts were more on the dogpile here that attacks everything non-Trumpian as traitorous, treasonous, seditious, socialist and/or communist.

I suppose it would be easier to put them on ignore, but other than this one character flaw, they are really good people.

 

[Doug]

Bloomberg is really 5 feet 10 (centimeters).

See post # 3189.
It really doesn't matter.

 

[jamil]

Bloomberg is really 5 feet 10 (centimeters).

That's 5'4".

I don't get it. Trump tweets something and all the Trumpers have to search high and low for some way for it to be correct. Can't trust Google. Nah. Can't trust photos and compare to other known heights. Can't trust anything that says it's something other than what Trump said. Nope. It's gotta be that Trump can't be incorrect.

Or jeez. How about this possibility. Trump's tweet was about trolling Lil'Mike because Lil'Mike has a hangup about his height. It didn't have to be his actual height. He's trolling. And it was a pretty good troll.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Figured I'd share this. THis exchange happened last night:

I come upstairs and turn on the tv while Mrs Monkey is on her iPad on the couch.
MM: What are you doing?
Me: I wanna watch the Weasels.
(Puzzled look) MM: you are watching the Democrat debate?!?!
Me: no! Literally a PBS show about the weasel family.

(And it was quite good and adorable)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Figured I'd share this. THis exchange happened last night:

I come upstairs and turn on the tv while Mrs Monkey is on her iPad on the couch.
MM: What are you doing?
Me: I wanna watch the Weasels.
(Puzzled look) MM: you are watching the Democrat debate?!?!
Me: no! Literally a PBS show about the weasel family.

(And it was quite good and adorable)

So pretty much the polar opposite of the Democratic debate...

 

[Mikey1911]

That's 5'4".

I don't get it. Trump tweets something and all the Trumpers have to search high and low for some way for it to be correct. Can't trust Google. Nah. Can't trust photos and compare to other known heights. Can't trust anything that says it's something other than what Trump said. Nope. It's gotta be that Trump can't be incorrect.

Or jeez. How about this possibility. Trump's tweet was about trolling Lil'Mike because Lil'Mike has a hangup about his height. It didn't have to be his actual height. He's trolling. And it was a pretty good troll.

“That’s a joke—ah say, that’s a joke, son.”
/Foghorn Leghorn mode

 

[jamil]

“That’s a joke—ah say, that’s a joke, son.”
/Foghorn Leghorn mode

Foghorn was a childhood fav.