The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Alpo]

Huh? I did not define a democracy. I talked about the attributes of a socialist country, and asserted that Sweden is not a socialist country. But anyway, China is still a communist country, with public ownership, but with an additional market system that is private-ish.

Anyway, what I described IS the whole pie. Obviously a nation with a primarily capitalist free market system, that also has a lot of social programs, implies a high tax rate and welfare programs. That doesn't make them a socialist country. Many Swedish business owners have called for Bernie to stop calling Sweden a socialist country. Denmark's PM said Bernie should just shut the **** up with this socialist nonsense (paraphrased).

Bernie has gotten away with this bull**** where he claims what he wants is to be like the Nordic "socialist" democracies and claims they're socialist and are doing fine. And they themselves say they're not socialist. And they're not. They do have free markets. Their economy is primarily capitalist. People own property privately. You could say they're a social democracy in that they have a lot of social programs. But to claim that they're socialist is not correct.

You go from the USA to Sweden and spend a year and then tell me it isn't what republican Americans would call socialism. Go ahead. I dare yah.

If you can't afford the time commitment, watch a couple of seasons of Lilyhammer [sic]. Besides having one of my favorite guys star in the series and despite it being Norway rather than Sweden, you'll get the idea.

 

[jamil]

The whole arbitrary separation of who and what is a distinction without purpose. The truth is leftists are trying to move conservatives at warp speed today.

No, it has a purpose, which is to say that this is the way of the world, and pretty much has been for a very long time, before any of the "who's" you want to complain about ever existed. Periodically we have these cultural revolutions where the left gets out of hand. A response to that might be someone like Trump giving conservatives more power to push back than they typically have.

 

[Expat]

I was outraged by the way that Mayor Pete was bashing Amy and calling her stupid.

 

[jamil]

You go from the USA to Sweden and spend a year and then tell me it isn't what republican Americans would call socialism. Go ahead. I dare yah.

If you can't afford the time commitment, watch a couple of seasons of Lilyhammer [sic]. Besides having one of my favorite guys star in the series and despite it being Norway rather than Sweden, you'll get the idea.

Well, hold on. The question was if those Nordic countries like Sweden are socialist, which is what you claimed. Not what Republicans think it is. I agree that conservative types tend to call that much government social intervention, "socialism" even though it's not actually socialism. I do that hyperbolically, just like I call Obama a Communist. He's not.

But anyway, I don't need to visit Sweden to know that there are differences, and that Sweden has a lot of social programs we don't have here, AND they pay a lot higher taxes there compared to here. But, those differences don't mean that they have a socialist system.

BTW, Lilyhammer is on my list-o-stuff to watch.

 

[nonobaddog]

You go from the USA to Sweden and spend a year and then tell me it isn't what republican Americans would call socialism. Go ahead. I dare yah.

The people and officials that live full-time in Sweden wish silly people in the USA would stop saying they are socialist.

 

[jamil]

The people and officials that live full-time in Sweden wish silly people in the USA would stop saying they are socialist.

Yep. That.

 

[Alpo]

The people and officials that live full-time in Sweden wish silly people in the USA would stop saying they are socialist.

Silly people? The guys that use terms like "dumbocrats"? Those guys?

 

[printcraft]

I was outraged by the way that Mayor Pete was bashing Amy and calling her stupid.

One might think he hates women...

 

[Alpo]

I do that hyperbolically, just like I call Obama a Communist. He's not.

And that's where you lose authority to correct anyone else on observations they make.

 

[nonobaddog]

Silly people? The guys that use terms like "dumbocrats"? Those guys?

Well, they specifically mention burny but it applies to anybody that doesn't understand Sweden is not socialist. Those people are mostly dumocrats.

 

[Alpo]

One might think he hates women...

To be fair...

She probably doesn't know the difference between a burrito and falafel.

 

[Expat]

One might think he hates women...

Hmmm. does make me think since you mentioned it.
I have just been shocked he hasn't been criticized for mansplaining...

 

[Alpo]

Well, they specifically mention burny but it applies to anybody that doesn't understand Sweden is not socialist. Those people are mostly dumocrats.

The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies as well as typical cultural practices common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden) This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining,with a high percentage of the workforce unionised and a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force). The Nordic model began to gain attention after World War II

 

[jamil]

Silly people? The guys that use terms like "dumbocrats"? Those guys?

No. It's the people who live in those countries. You know, private business owners. Prime Ministers. Those people.

 

[jamil]

And that's where you lose authority to correct anyone else on observations they make.

Oh c'mon. its not like you don't use hyperbolic language when you're riled up. You've called me some things that are what I'd call pretty hyperbolic. And that's how I took it. When you called me a lemming, I didn't think you thought I was actually a lemming. Or hell. Maybe you weren't being intentionally hyperbolic.

And besides. Authority to correct someone? WTF is that? If I correct someone, my "authority" to do so is derived on the correctitude of the correction. It doesn't matter if I've never been correct before. If you say Sweden is socialist and I correct you, and I'm right. It's the being "right" part that provides the authority. You stand corrected whether you chose to acknowledge it or not, or whether I have any reputational authority or not.

 

[Alpo]

Oh. So you know this guy who is Swedish and he tells you that he is not a socialist even though you would call him one if he had the same views and systems in the USA....and you believe him?

 

[jamil]

1) The quote doesn't say anything about it being a socialist country.

2) You didn't provide a link or further context.

 

[T.Lex]

If I correct someone, my "authority" to do so is derived on the correctness of the correction.

I think you mean "correctitude" of the correction.

That is, the quality of being correct rather than the freedom from error of something.

 

[MCgrease08]

You go from the USA to Sweden and spend a year and then tell me it isn't what republican Americans would call socialism. Go ahead. I dare yah.

If you can't afford the time commitment, watch a couple of seasons of Lilyhammer [sic]. Besides having one of my favorite guys star in the series and despite it being Norway rather than Sweden, you'll get the idea.

A great show. I second the recommendation.

 

[BugI02]

One might think he [STRIKE]hates[/STRIKE] [has no use for] women...

Fixy