The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Alpo]

You may have a point if Mini-Mike cannot appear presidential. He doesn't need charisma. But courteousness, deference and a bit of humility would be significant differentiators.


I doubt he can pull that off. Buttigieg is probably the closest in that regard. But he married a guy.......

 

[Kutnupe14]

You may have a point if Mini-Mike cannot appear presidential. He doesn't need charisma. But courteousness, deference and a bit of humility would be significant differentiators.


I doubt he can pull that off. Buttigieg is probably the closest in that regard. But he married a guy.......

Money may be the great equalizer. I don’t know. I am baffled that he has so many supporters of color though. I don’t trust him.

 

[BugI02]

The Democrats that identify as moderate or centrist are lying to themselves the “big tent” has no spot for common sense. The unions are realizing that the Democrats will cause the loss of good healthcare plans and wage packages.

Bernie is taking a lead and Mini Mike just muddies the water for a time his S*#t the bed performance last night proves he doesn’t have what it takes to be President. It’s a battle between a Old Billionaire and a Old Communist that’s before they even meet the Trump train head on.

IME many people identify as Democrats because that’s how they were brought up “were a Democrat family” that’s great but JFK is gone!
It’s the party of AOC and Bernie now.

It's possible some diminutive champion ivy-league debater is even now undergoing cosmetic surgery to look and sound like l'il Mike to remedy that weakness. Never underestimate what a singularity $56 billion can be

 

[jamil]

That's one part of the puzzle, but not the whole pie. Look at income taxes, consumption taxes and social welfare programs.

By your definition, China would be an emerging democracy.

Huh? I did not define a democracy. I talked about the attributes of a socialist country, and asserted that Sweden is not a socialist country. But anyway, China is still a communist country, with public ownership, but with an additional market system that is private-ish.

Anyway, what I described IS the whole pie. Obviously a nation with a primarily capitalist free market system, that also has a lot of social programs, implies a high tax rate and welfare programs. That doesn't make them a socialist country. Many Swedish business owners have called for Bernie to stop calling Sweden a socialist country. Denmark's PM said Bernie should just shut the **** up with this socialist nonsense (paraphrased).

Bernie has gotten away with this bull**** where he claims what he wants is to be like the Nordic "socialist" democracies and claims they're socialist and are doing fine. And they themselves say they're not socialist. And they're not. They do have free markets. Their economy is primarily capitalist. People own property privately. You could say they're a social democracy in that they have a lot of social programs. But to claim that they're socialist is not correct.

 

[BugI02]

This is true. Their open acceptance of socialism is alarming. It's not a majority, but there's also no hiding it anymore.

But, but ... they already know 90% of everything and the other 10% doesn't matter

Well we know where we're going
But we don't know where we've been
And we know what we're knowing
But we can't say what we've seen
And we're not little children
And we know what we want
And the future is certain
Give us time to work it out

 

[BugI02]

Nope. Far from it.


But that doesn't mean that a majority of Democrat voters are socialist.

Does it somehow make it better if it's only a plurality? To many Americans, that trajectory is unthinkable

 

[BugI02]

but but but, guilt by association!

I think there was a mindset around here not too long ago that if you vote for X, and X is part of Y party, and Z is a socialist that is also in Y party... you therefore approve of socialism.

Is that anything like the mindset where if you vote for someone who is seen as crude and self-serving why, then, you must be similarly lacking in character. They both sound short-sighted

 

[jamil]

And why would I believe a politicized Google?



A 5'8" guy is not generally that sensitive to height as a truly short guy...

Is 5’7” really that different from 5’8”?

 

[BugI02]

While the current Democrats may not be the party of Kennedy, it ought not be forgotten that it was also the party of FDR. A majority of voting Americans supported the politicians who created the New Deal.

About 90 years later, everything old is new again.

Non sequitur. FDR was elected because the country was mired in a depression that seemed to have no end in sight, and after trying a Republican administration that only made things worse. If anything the impulse was Trumpian, to try someone proposing solutions well outside the box since more mainstream ones didn't seem to be working. Even at the height of his considerable popularity, he couldn't push through court-packing as a way to circumvent the checks and balances stymieing his most socialist wet dreams. We are still not a center-left electorate

 

[nonobaddog]

Little man syndrome is an individual psychological condition and not a specific numbers thing.

 

[Ingomike]

Is 5’7” really that different from 5’8”?

Little man syndrome is an individual psychological condition and not a specific numbers thing.

Not really into debating Bloomy's height, but he is not neither of those and LMS is real...

 

[jamil]

And just who created the division? Are conservatives more or less conservative? Are so called dems more or less radical.

I don't think it's a "who" as much as it is a what. We're in a cultural revolution. That's causing the division. But to answer the question about conservatives, I don't think conservatives are getting more conservative. But the left is indeed getting lefter. So it's a sort of stretching of the spectrum. And that's the typical thing. Conservatives want to conserve traditions. The most conservative people want to conserve the most. People on the left tend to want to move beyond those traditions. The most left of them want to move on from the most traditions. People in the middle see the value in some traditions while seeing value from dropping other traditions.

So progressives push ever lefter. Sometimes they get what they want. And then in subsequent generations, that eventually becomes the tradition to conserve. So in that way, the people clinging to the oldest traditions are the right wing radicals. The left wing radicals are the people at the leading edge of ideology, good or bad. Not all progressive ideas make it to the main stream. But the radicals still push anyway.

That's why I say it's not a who, but more of a what that's causing the division.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

and it will be, over and over...

I remember having it on 45... God's record size!

 

[jamil]

Not really into debating Bloomy's height, but he is not neither of those and LMS is real...

So you've measured his height personally? Because if not, you're left with trusting people on either side who have a reason to lie. I'll bet he's not 5'4. I saw a picture of him side by side with Hillary Clinton, and he's probably about two inches taller than her. She's about 5'5. So I could believe the 5'7". 5'8" might be pushing it. 5'4"? Probably a lie.

 

[jamil]

Little man syndrome is an individual psychological condition and not a specific numbers thing.

I agree with that. It's pretty obvious that Bloomie is super sensitive about his height. He's at least self-conscious about it. I could see him embellishing it.

 

[BugI02]

Uh. I think you might want to google that. I didn't pull it from my ass. Sweeden has a free market economy. It owns some means of production but is not primarily socialist. Unless you're saying a democratic socialist nation just has a lot of social programs. But that's not socialism.

This^^^ The Democratic Socialists barely won anything. The 2018 elections resulted in no party having a majority and a hung parliament. After the horse-trading was over, the Democratic Socialists and their coalition partners emerged with a single vote majority in parliament

 

[Trapper Jim]

Very interesting.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

But, but ... they already know 90% of everything and the other 10% doesn't matter

You should've included the next lyric...

"We're on a road to nowhere."

 

[Ingomike]

Is 5’7” really that different from 5’8”?

I don't think it's a "who" as much as it is a what. We're in a cultural revolution. That's causing the division. But to answer the question about conservatives, I don't think conservatives are getting more conservative. But the left is indeed getting lefter. So it's a sort of stretching of the spectrum. And that's the typical thing. Conservatives want to conserve traditions. The most conservative people want to conserve the most. People on the left tend to want to move beyond those traditions. The most left of them want to move on from the most traditions. People in the middle see the value in some traditions while seeing value from dropping other traditions.

So progressives push ever lefter. Sometimes they get what they want. And then in subsequent generations, that eventually becomes the tradition to conserve. So in that way, the people clinging to the oldest traditions are the right wing radicals. The left wing radicals are the people at the leading edge of ideology, good or bad. Not all progressive ideas make it to the main stream. But the radicals still push anyway.

That's why I say it's not a who, but more of a what that's causing the division.

The whole arbitrary separation of who and what is a distinction without purpose. The truth is leftists are trying to move conservatives at warp speed today.

 

[BugI02]

You should've included the next lyric...

"We're on a road to nowhere."

Seemed a bit heavy handed