The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[Ingomike]

These people are insane.

https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1189882389062926337

And more truth,

"then we must take ALL NECESSARY steps to undo EVERYTHING he did, which MUST include removing EVERY judge he appointed."

The left fears the judges the Trump has appointed and is terrified of future SCOTUS appointments...

 

[BugI02]

So now right-wingers can care about what celebrities say? Got it.

As the 'aggrieved' party, you had the choice of weapons. Don't get fussy when you start getting your *** beat with those self-same weapons

 

[T.Lex]

And more truth,

"then we must take ALL NECESSARY steps to undo EVERYTHING he did, which MUST include removing EVERY judge he appointed."

The left fears the judges the Trump has appointed and is terrified of future SCOTUS appointments...

Wasn't the main consensus around Trump generated by the goal of preventing HRC appointments? Many people (myself included) were terrified of that prospect.

 

[nonobaddog]

And more truth,

"then we must take ALL NECESSARY steps to undo EVERYTHING he did, which MUST include removing EVERY judge he appointed."

The left fears the judges the Trump has appointed and is terrified of future SCOTUS appointments...

Yes, it would be a shame to have judges that actually respect the Constitution.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

There's no way you honestly believe that. Societies generally trend left, on the occasion that they swing right, they swing FAR to the right; to the point of being oppressive. Obama's legacy, love him or hate him, will most certainly gain favorability in the United States.

 

[BugI02]

I thought Russia wanted Trump to win, not Hilary?

That's the story you're being told, massaged to conform to your preconceptions (and Hillary's)

The more likely scenario is the Russians were after maximum chaos internally for the US to enable a freer hand on the world stage while our attention was turned inward. I would say they are quite satisfied with their RoI

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Societies generally trend left, on the occasion that they swing right, they swing FAR to the right; to the point of being oppressive. Obama's legacy, love him or hate him, will most certainly gain favorability in the United States.

*nope*

Kut ain't wrong here. Things definitely trend leftward. The 'Right' just slows that as much as they can, occasionally society lashes out at the current 'Left' and gives the 'Right' a few pieces here and there... but there is a steady and constant erosion of freedom and liberty over time, always happening.

Hell, even the 'Right' helps it move leftward on occasion.

1A and 2A will be gone eventually. Ideally they'll still be around in our lifetimes.

Edit: Regarding the Obama line, I have no opinion about that.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

There's no way you honestly believe that. Societies generally trend left, on the occasion that they swing right, they swing FAR to the right; to the point of being oppressive. Obama's legacy, love him or hate him, will most certainly gain favorability in the United States.

I think you forgot the purple

 

[BugI02]

A) So he never bought into the social justice wokeness, just used it to get elected. Now he doesn't need them anymore so he's speaking his true feelings about their wokeness? B) Or he's never had an opinion and is just on whichever side he thinks history is going to look favorably upon?
At no point we can give him credit for saying the correct thing? Is there anything he could say now to gain any sort of redemption?
I feel like he could come out for taking suppressors off the NFA and we'd be saying the same things about him. Not possible to get right?

'B'. Definitely 'B'

And if he wants redemption, he could come clean about his underhanded efforts to prevent Trump's election and then, failing that, to cripple and perhaps topple his administration. But because what he did was likely extra-legal, I'm not holding my breath

 

[BugI02]

There's no way you honestly believe that. Societies generally trend left, on the occasion that they swing right, they swing FAR to the right; to the point of being oppressive. Obama's legacy, love him or hate him, will most certainly gain favorability in the United States.

"It's not a lie if you believe it"

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think you forgot the purple

Ok, In the United States:

Confederate Statues, Religion, Founding Fathers, Law Enforcement, Guns, Christopher Columbus... Has the favorability of those things increased or decreased?

Jimmy Carter, controlled substances, homosexuality, socialism... has the favorability of those things increased or decreased?

 

[bwframe]

... Obama's legacy, love him or hate him, will most certainly gain favorability in the United States.

Nope, don't think so. Obama's legacy is looking worse daily. Only a matter of time before the complete failures are more apparent, even to the independents.

Sadly, I think we have seen the last president of color in our lifetimes. Unless of course, the trend changes away from the "woke" trend to destroy folks of color that are conservative.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Ok, In the United States:

Confederate Statues, Religion, Founding Fathers, Law Enforcement, Guns, Christopher Columbus... Has the favorability of those things increased or decreased?

Jimmy Carter, controlled substances, homosexuality, socialism... has the favorability of those things increased or decreased?

First, I stopped trying to carry conversations with you when in other threads you were asked to prove your point and you avoided it at all cost. Remember, the under trump median income sores thread, where us trumpers love blissful ignorance so you’d let us enjoy it for a day before proving us wrong, but then decided to avoid the thread, fold, and refuse to show your hand?

But ok, I’ll bite the bait on this one. Trends change, and tend to come back. It’s nature, it will always go back and forth and it always has. Hence why one party hasn’t stayed in control. The things you mention are all things that mainstream media attacks and tells us aren’t popular, but the everyday people I encounter all support most of those things. Just because there is a swing in opinion by a few today, doesn’t mean it will withstand the test of time. Opinions of those things have always increased and decreased throughout history. Guns and religion being the most obvious. Thousands of years religion has been a back and forth issue, with popular opinion changing on the matter. It’s still around and very popular. Just because it’s under attack doesn’t mean it’s fading away.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Nope, don't think so. Obama's legacy is looking worse daily. Only a matter of time before the complete failures are more apparent.

Sadly, I think we have seen the last president of color in our lifetimes. Unless of course, the trend changes away from the "woke" trend to destroy folks of color that are conservative.

I don’t think we’ve seen the last person of color in office in my lifetime. I hope not anyway, as I don’t think one failure of a president should be the determining factor in voting for another. Yes, Obama was a failure, but there’s plenty of people of different ethnicities I would vote for who align with my beliefs. I won’t let that one ruin it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

First, I stopped trying to carry conversations with you when in other threads you were asked to prove your point and you avoided it at all cost. Remember, the under trump median income sores thread, where us trumpers love blissful ignorance so you’d let us enjoy it for a day before proving us wrong, but then decided to avoid the thread, fold, and refuse to show your hand?

But ok, I’ll bite the bait on this one. Trends change, and tend to come back. It’s nature, it will always go back and forth and it always has. Hence why one party hasn’t stayed in control. The things you mention are all things that mainstream media attacks and tells us aren’t popular, but the everyday people I encounter all support most of those things. Just because there is a swing in opinion by a few today, doesn’t mean it will withstand the test of time. Opinions of those things have always increased and decreased throughout history. Guns and religion being the most obvious. Thousands of years religion has been a back and forth issue, with popular opinion changing on the matter. It’s still around and very popular. Just because it’s under attack doesn’t mean it’s fading away.

It doesn't matter the party... both have been simply pulled along. No party has stayed faithful to it's original tenets. As parties move left, other parties, even if incrementally, move left as well. The fact that the "mainstream media," is "tell you" about those things, when once they had not, is kinda indicative of the acceptance of the ideas I just presented.

And yes, I am well aware the love of blissful ignorance by Trumpers.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nope, don't think so. Obama's legacy is looking worse daily. Only a matter of time before the complete failures are more apparent, even to the independents.

Sadly, I think we have seen the last president of color in our lifetimes. Unless of course, the trend changes away from the "woke" trend to destroy folks of color that are conservative.

If what you are implying is true, you have just given a pretty solid example of white privilege. So re-read what you wrote, and tell me, do you really believe that? I, for the record, do not believe that we have seen the last person of color ascend to the presidency.

 

[bwframe]

Yeah, of course I did...

 

[nonobaddog]

I don’t think we’ve seen the last person of color in office in my lifetime. I hope not anyway, as I don’t think one failure of a president should be the determining factor in voting for another. Yes, Obama was a failure, but there’s plenty of people of different ethnicities I would vote for who align with my beliefs. I won’t let that one ruin it.

Agree. obummer's failures will make it tough for liberals, especially the current too-far left, bat-**** crazy ones but certainly not for any ethnicities.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

It doesn't matter the party... both have been simply pulled along. No party has stayed faithful to it's original tenets. As parties move left, other parties, even if incrementally, move left as well. The fact that the "mainstream media," is "tell you" about those things, when once they had not, is kinda indicative of the acceptance of the ideas I just presented.

And yes, I am well aware the love of blissful ignorance by Trumpers.

I guess us ignorant trumpers still have to wait for your silver bullet in the median income thread? Or maybe you never had one and just wanted to insult trumps success, like usual? Seems odd you wouldn’t release your proof by now, maybe you have a whistleblower you’re keeping hidden until the time is right?

And if the right is shifting left, how did trump get elected? I thought you guys keep saying he’s far right? Seems you can’t decide which stance you wanna take. Trump is far right, right is moving further left, right elects trump. Hmmmm.

Also, calling trumpers ignorant while refusing to give your proof in that thread kinda makes you more ignorant doesn’t it? Kinda acting like everyone in the democrat party and just throwing accusations without anything to back it up... I guess TDS has some strange side effects.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

If what you are implying is true, you have just given a pretty solid example of white privilege. So re-read what you wrote, and tell me, do you really believe that? I, for the record, do not believe that we have seen the last person of color ascend to the presidency.

White privilege? Cmon with the race stuff. Not voting for someone because someone left a bad impression isn’t white privilege. I don’t vote democrat because they’re horrible politicians, is that white privilege? Or right privilege? What made up term would it be?