The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[jamil]

Right.

The Zika virus outbreak in 2015-6 was obummer's fault.
The Ebola virus outbreak in 2013-4 was obummer's fault.
The MERS virus outbreak in 2012 was obummer's fault.
The Avian flu outbreak in 2004 was Bush's fault.
The SARS virus outbreak in 2003 was Bush's fault.

If any of this makes sense to you, you need your skates sharpened.

Well they didn't have much world economic impact. They weren't seriously talking about closing schools for those. But. Of course that's not the point.

 

[Ingomike]

Not so easy. China spent decades establishing close proximity supply chains and developing manufacturing competency and engineering, and stealing skills.

Fixed it for you...

 

[Alpo]

You educate the Chinese in American schools. They pay tuition. We provide data, training and experience. That isn't stealing. That's capitalism. When us democrats were complaining about offshoring manufacturing and technologies, you laughed.

Hope that crow tastes great.

 

[jamil]

Fixed it for you...

That's fair. They steal intellectual property and expertise. We invent stuff and then teach them how to make it. So then they just copy our processes, skills, knowledge and then use it to make cheep knockoffs without having to invest the sweat and money up front.

 

[Alpo]

Virus spreads in China. Production is embargoed or shut down. Multinationals lower earnings estimates due to reduced supply. People see the market correct and reduce their spending on discretionary items, awaiting positive news and market turnaround...which leads to lower demand, which fuels a recessionary trend picked up by markets which causes additional selloff to safer investments.

The economy is largely a matter of confidence at this point. And that confidence is diminishing...at least temporarily. Add to that, we have been in a decade of economic expansion.

 

[jamil]

Virus spreads in China. Production is embargoed or shut down. Multinationals lower earnings estimates due to reduced supply. People see the market correct and reduce their spending on discretionary items, awaiting positive news and market turnaround...which leads to lower demand, which fuels a recessionary trend picked up by markets which causes additional selloff to safer investments.

The economy is largely a matter of confidence at this point. And that confidence is diminishing...at least temporarily. Add to that, we have been in a decade of economic expansion.

Yeah. Pretty much this.

 

[Alpo]

That's fair. They steal intellectual property and expertise. We invent stuff and then teach them how to make it. So then they just copy our processes, skills, knowledge and then use it to make cheep knockoffs without having to invest the sweat and money up front.

We LICENSE them to use our technology. Apple isn't mad at FoxConn for stealing their iPhones. They partner with them.

This "stealing" idea is an old trope that only plays to the uninformed.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well they didn't have much world economic impact. They weren't seriously talking about closing schools for those. But. Of course that's not the point.

I can't agree.

S&P 500 Change
Zika down 12.9%
SARS down 12.8%
MERS down 7.3%
Avian down 6.9%

 

[nonobaddog]

The markets are really reacting to COVID-19 and add to that the burny factor - every time he does well in a primary the markets slide. This is looking like a tremendous buying opportunity coming fairly soon.

 

[nonobaddog]

A good overview of voter fraud in the US (5 min)

[video=youtube;RkLuXvIxFew]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLuXvIxFew&feature=emb_logo[/video]

 

[Ingomike]

We LICENSE them to use our technology. Apple isn't mad at FoxConn for stealing their iPhones. They partner with them.

This "stealing" idea is an old trope that only plays to the uninformed.

Just not the case. Take the French company Zodiac, makers of high quality ocean going inflatable boats, boats so good military's world wide use them. About 24 months of moving production the US recreational boating market was flooded with good quality Chinese knockoffs for one third the price. Brand names for which no company actually existed. This is but one of thousands of similar examples.

They in no way licensed their intellectual property rights to the Chinese. I know many people in industry and they talk about this all the time.

 

[BugI02]

We LICENSE them to use our technology. Apple isn't mad at FoxConn for stealing their iPhones. They partner with them.

This "stealing" idea is an old trope that only plays to the uninformed.

You say that as if Apple had a choice (other than don't manufacture in or sell to China)

It's not a partnership if you have a gun to your head

There are echos in this of the great recession. In that banks became addicted to the high profits of mortgage lending, packaging them as mortgage backed securities which tame rating services rated investment quality. Sell them to the suckers, recoup your resources and repeat. They looked the other way about the risks because the money was just too good, eventually they would loan to just about anybody with a pulse because the risk was on investors (they thought)

Apple is in the same state of denial, ignoring the risks of technology transfer and future ChiCom competition because they are making so much money on those sweat shop sourced electronic devices.

What's their outlook like now, earnings miss

 

[Kutnupe14]

Dow down 1190, into correction. DoH! Blood is in the streets.

 

[nonobaddog]

We LICENSE them to use our technology. Apple isn't mad at FoxConn for stealing their iPhones. They partner with them.

This "stealing" idea is an old trope that only plays to the uninformed.

I didn't realize you were so naive. Ebay is flooded with fake chinese rifle scopes branded Nikon, Leupold, Zeiss, Nightforce, etc. This is called stealing.

 

[Alpo]

You say that as if Apple had a choice (other than don't manufacture in or sell to China)

It's not a partnership if you have a gun to your head

There are echos in this of the great recession. In that banks became addicted to the high profits of mortgage lending, packaging them as mortgage backed securities which tame rating services rated investment quality. Sell them to the suckers, recoup your resources and repeat. They looked the other way about the risks because the money was just too good, eventually they would loan to just about anybody with a pulse because the risk was on investors (they thought)

Apple is in the same state of denial, ignoring the risks of technology transfer and future ChiCom competition because they are making so much money on those sweat shop sourced electronic devices.

What's their outlook like now, earnings miss

No one forced Apple to move offshore. That was a management decision. And it is true of many companies who move operations to Asia (India included).

This has been going on so long that it is difficult to remember a time when technology didn't move along with the promise of lower manufacturing costs. I worked with a few of the people who developed the black matrix television tube. When the beancounters said it was going to be expensive to manufacture and the marketing guys didn't see it as a key feature in the marketplace, the Minnesota company sold the technology to Sony.....who then dominated the world with a black matrix television. In a short period of time, the US television manufacturing capability was almost nil.

It's happened with machine tools, heavy equipment, CMOS and bi-polar chips. Memory. etc etc etc.

They did not "steal" our technology. Short-sighted management teams, in search of current quarter profits and growth.....it's an American story and we are at fault.

 

[Ingomike]

No one forced Apple to move offshore. That was a management decision. And it is true of many companies who moves operations to Asia (India included).

This has been going on so long that it is difficult to remember a time when technology didn't move along with the promise of lower manufacturing costs. I worked with a few of the people who developed the black matrix television tube. When the beancounters said it was going to be expensive to manufacture and the marketing guys didn't see it as a key feature in the marketplace, the Minnesota company sold the technology to Sony.....who then dominated the world with a black matrix television. In a short period of time, the US television manufacturing capability was almost nil.

It's happened with machine tools, heavy equipment, CMOS and bi-polar chips. Memory. etc etc etc.

They did not "steal" our technology. Short-sighted management teams, in search of current quarter profits and growth.....it's an American story and we are at fault.

But to say that the theft is not occurring because some was sold is ridiculous...

 

[Alpo]

It's a very narrow view to think that we haven't done our damnedest to move our know-how offshore. We did it with the Japanese after WWII and they implemented best-in-class quality programs to become a dominant player in almost any product/process they became involved with.

 

[nonobaddog]

This "stealing" idea is an old trope that only plays to the uninformed.

You are taking an untenable position. Even china admits they are stealing intellectual property.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You are taking an untenable position. Even china admits they are stealing intellectual property.

I doubt that, but a cite can change my mind.

Edit: A cite that has someone Chinese admitting to the theft, not some talking head from an administration that is known to "stretch" the truth."\

 

[nonobaddog]

I doubt that, but a cite can change my mind.

https://www.axios.com/china-intelle...nts-815f7d48-326b-4cb2-94d1-9cac4d7189c2.html