The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[T.Lex]

Yeah, some heavy intimidation tactics going on there.

Yeah, but kinda lame at the same time.

I mean, POTUS Trump himself has gone after Cohen. Is Cohen then supposed to care what some junior rep from podunk [strike]Alabama[/strike] Florida says?

 

[BugI02]

Except what Gaetz did was possibly illegal and broke the rules of the House. He was warned about that, notwithstanding that the rules only going one way. You guys sure can spin a **** sandwich into ham.

What I had read was that Gaetz essentially said 'Does your wife know all about your girlfriends, and do you think she'll stay loyal to you when she does? I think it's time we went down that road' or some such. I didn't read any additional language of the sort of 'Think about that before you testify'. Sure, the implication is there; but it only competes with the implication from the other side that essentially 'Testify as we wish and maybe you won't rot in jail as long as is currently scheduled'. Cohen may have been sentenced, but I think there is still discretion on where he serves that time, no? There are still inducements to sing the sheet music he has been given

I read it as more of a promise of retribution absolutely to come rather than an attempt at intimidation. More "Fill your hand, you son of a *****" than "We have ways of making you [not] talk"

By Muellerian standards of 'justice' trying to get Cohen's wife to turn on him is just good police work, isn't it? Who knows what we might find out then (of course we should overlook or downplay any motivation toward revenge and treat such testimony as gospel). It's still all just so much Kabuki.

 

[BugI02]

Just googled Gaetz, he's a JD. Yeah, he should have known better

 

[KLB]

Twitter really seems to bring out the inner dumbass in people.

 

[HoughMade]

Accusing Trump of everything from silent-but-deadlys up to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping for the past 2+ years really takes the impact out of anything Cohen could possibly say.

Oh, and Cohen being a confirmed a-hole doesn't hurt Trump.

We could use a little more omerta in this world.

 

[actaeon277]

Twitter really seems to bring out the inner dumbass in people.

No. It's already there. Twitter just shines a light on it.

 

[nonobaddog]

Accusing Trump of everything from silent-but-deadlys up to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping for the past 2+ years really takes the impact out of anything Cohen could possibly say.

Oh, and Cohen being a confirmed a-hole doesn't hurt Trump.

We could use a little more omerta in this world.

Hildebeest had her own form of omerta - just kill the witnesses.

 

[HoughMade]

Hildebeest had her own form of omerta - just kill the witnesses.

Speaking as a guy who represented a nationally ( (maybe internationally) know fugitive. later felon, who was deposed about said representation....and asserted attorney-client privilege dozens of times, let's just say that I don't think much of Cohen.

The key as an attorney is not committing crimes yourself such that there is no leverage to entice you to be a rat.

 

[bwframe]

[video=youtube;4_02s6LAj_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_02s6LAj_U&feature=em-uploademail[/video]

 

[nonobaddog]

Speaking as a guy who represented a nationally ( (maybe internationally) know fugitive. later felon, who was deposed about said representation....and asserted attorney-client privilege dozens of times, let's just say that I don't think much of Cohen.

The key as an attorney is not committing crimes yourself such that there is no leverage to entice you to be a rat.

That attorney-client privilege could easily put you in a place I wouldn't want to be in.

 

[HoughMade]

That attorney-client privilege could easily put you in a place I wouldn't want to be in.

It's not really that hard to avoid screwing yourself over.

Step 1- Want to not screw yourself over.

Cohen couldn't even get that far.

 

[T.Lex]

Ever wonder why Trump didn't sue/isn't suing to keep Cohen from talking?

Pretty sure he waived the privilege (and some of this falls into some exceptions anyway).

If nothing else, but tweeting about what he did and didn't tell Cohen, he's waiving the privilege as to those topics.

 

[HoughMade]

Ever wonder why Trump didn't sue/isn't suing to keep Cohen from talking?

Still within the SOL.

Pretty sure he waived the privilege (and some of this falls into some exceptions anyway).

A judge is going to have to tell me that in the form of an order compelling testimony. Then I'll fight it like an SOB and take all the appeals I can. Of course, this is all assuming that, myself, was smart enough to not break the law....an apparent Cohen failing.

If nothing else, but tweeting about what he did and didn't tell Cohen, he's waiving the privilege as to those topics.

My issue isn't Trump's idiocy, it's Cohen being a slime.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Speaking as a guy who represented a nationally ( (maybe internationally) know fugitive. later felon, who was deposed about said representation....and asserted attorney-client privilege dozens of times, let's just say that I don't think much of Cohen.

The key as an attorney is not committing crimes yourself such that there is no leverage to entice you to be a rat.

And it didn't take a decade with him working by your side to figure it out!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Still within the SOL.



A judge is going to have to tell me that in the form of an order compelling testimony.



My issue isn't Trump's idiocy, it's Cohen being a slime.

Honest question, how either descriptions non-reciprocal to the other?

 

[T.Lex]

A judge is going to have to tell me that in the form of an order compelling testimony. Then I'll fight it like an SOB and take all the appeals I can. Of course, this is all assuming that, myself, was smart enough to not break the law....an apparent Cohen failing.

Indeed, it seems to me he was predisposed to that behavior and Trump was more than happy to indulge it.

My issue isn't Trump's idiocy, it's Cohen being a slime.

Agreed.

 

[HoughMade]

Honest question, how either descriptions non-reciprocal to the other?

I find many things that Trump has done in his life slimy. But I'm not a real estate developer or a president. I'm a lawyer and, supposedly, Cohen is too. I am somewhat more sensitive to Cohen's lack of...many things....due to my knowledge and beliefs about what this should mean.

 

[nonobaddog]

It's not really that hard to avoid screwing yourself over.

Step 1- Want to not screw yourself over.

Cohen couldn't even get that far.

What if a client tells you she helped one of Hildebeest's witnesses commit "suicide"? You can't un-know something so that would put you would be in a risky position.

 

[HoughMade]

What if a client tells you she helped one of Hildebeest's witnesses commit "suicide"? You can't un-know something so that would put you would be in a risky position.

What if a client tells me that they have committed a crime?

I'm sure that never happens.

...and as long as we're not talking about future crimes, I'm not talking.

...and I'm not that interested in anything Clinton. At this point, no one should be.

 

[nonobaddog]

It is just that knowing facts about those particular crimes could put you on a hit list.

And I think it is wrong for people to get by with serious crimes, even if they are clintons, so that interest doesn't just go away.