The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[BugI02]

Sometimes reading posts from certain INGOistas feels like a digital version of a news clipping service - provided you hate all things Trump

Cue the inevitable "Trumpers do it, too"

Chicken or egg

 

[BugI02]

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[nonobaddog]

 

[Kutnupe14]

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Not bad in her heyday, but she's has aged nearly as well as Christie, Heidi, or Cindi... look at your own risk.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Here's what I'm interested to find out. If Trump sticks to his guns, and shuts down the government.... then no way in hell that his ass better be seen within 100 yards of a golf cart, while the govt is shut down. If he out on the links during a shutdown, knowing that he will be dragging along a bunch of unpaid Secret Service guys, I think would be the worst possible optics. He should not place any undue duties on the unpaid people around him, as long as a shutdown persists. He just may cave.

 

[ghitch75]

Here's what I'm interested to find out. If Trump sticks to his guns, and shuts down the government.... then no way in hell that his ass better be seen within 100 yards of a golf cart, while the govt is shut down. If he out on the links during a shutdown, knowing that he will be dragging along a bunch of unpaid Secret Service guys, I think would be the worst possible optics. He should not place any undue duties on the unpaid people around him, as long as a shutdown persists. He just may cave.

go here and read post 2452

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...3-president-trump-immigration-thread-246.html

 

[jamil]

Here's what I'm interested to find out. If Trump sticks to his guns, and shuts down the government.... then no way in hell that his ass better be seen within 100 yards of a golf cart, while the govt is shut down. If he out on the links during a shutdown, knowing that he will be dragging along a bunch of unpaid Secret Service guys, I think would be the worst possible optics. He should not place any undue duties on the unpaid people around him, as long as a shutdown persists. He just may cave.

Undue duties? I'm sure they dred "golf duty". I guess when you really need an angle...


Just to address the whole subject, hyperbolic angles of hyperbolic angst aside, this is not how I want government to work. The president wants legislation from congress so he holds his breath until he gets his way? Kinda rat-**** ***** ass ***** of him, if you ask me. He had 2 years of Republican dominance to get the wall funded. I think this is more about penis size than about statesmanship.

And the Dems. All the whining about morality. For wanting a ****ing wall? Who the **** are they kidding? They don't give a flying **** about the wall either, other than if Trump got it, it would be yet one more promise fulfilled and potentially more reasons for people to vote for him instead of the Democratic socialist they prop up in 2020.

Okay, that sounds kinda grumpy. But it is what it is. Politics has gone to hell people have lost their minds, and it's making me kinda grumpy and impatient with nonsense these days.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Undue duties? I'm sure they dred "golf duty". I guess when you really need an angle...


Just to address the whole subject, hyperbolic angles of hyperbolic angst aside, this is not how I want government to work. The president wants legislation from congress so he holds his breath until he gets his way? Kinda rat-**** ***** ass ***** of him, if you ask me. He had 2 years of Republican dominance to get the wall funded. I think this is more about penis size than about statesmanship.

And the Dems. All the whining about morality. For wanting a ****ing wall? Who the **** are they kidding? They don't give a flying **** about the wall either, other than if Trump got it, it would be yet one more promise fulfilled and potentially more reasons for people to vote for him instead of the Democratic socialist they prop up in 2020.

Okay, that sounds kinda grumpy. But it is what it is. Politics has gone to hell people have lost their minds, and it's making me kinda grumpy and impatient with nonsense these days.

I would dread doing duty, in which I was typically paid, but wouldn't be in that instance. I get that there are some that would probably love to work for free, providing the president protection on a golf course. I, for one, am not one of those people. A quote from a particularly famous mob movie classic "**** ***, pay me."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I would dread doing duty, in which I was typically paid, but wouldn't be in that instance. I get that there are some that would probably love to work for free, providing the president protection on a golf course. I, for one, am not one of those people. A quote from a particularly famous mob movie classic "**** ***, pay me."

Any employees which are furloughed, yet required to work, will be paid, just not on time.

 

[T.Lex]

So, my youngest was studying for end-of-semester tests, so I took a look at what the topics were (as well as the overall readiness). One of the matters scrutinized was Washington's Farewell Address (as part of a thread of materials that included more modern writings).

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=15&page=transcript

I was reminded at how good a man Washington was. Sure, there were faults, as with all men, and he was a product of his times. But his honor and just plain old decency were manifest.

Some items echoed particularly clearly through the years. (Ok, the prose of the day was prone to run-on sentences, so it can be a tough read.)

Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.
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In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection.
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This government, the offspring of our own choice, uninfluenced and unawed, adopted upon full investigation and mature deliberation, completely free in its principles, in the distribution of its powers, uniting security with energy, and containing within itself a provision for its own amendment, has a just claim to your confidence and your support. Respect for its authority, compliance with its laws, acquiescence in its measures, are duties enjoined by the fundamental maxims of true liberty. The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
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I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.


Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

There's SO much more in there, but I want to avoid a post of foszoeian proportions.

 

[mmpsteve]

Undue duties? I'm sure they dred "golf duty". I guess when you really need an angle...


Just to address the whole subject, hyperbolic angles of hyperbolic angst aside, this is not how I want government to work. The president wants legislation from congress so he holds his breath until he gets his way? Kinda rat-**** ***** ass ***** of him, if you ask me. He had 2 years of Republican dominance to get the wall funded. I think this is more about penis size than about statesmanship.

And the Dems. All the whining about morality. For wanting a ****ing wall? Who the **** are they kidding? They don't give a flying **** about the wall either, other than if Trump got it, it would be yet one more promise fulfilled and potentially more reasons for people to vote for him instead of the Democratic socialist they prop up in 2020.

Okay, that sounds kinda grumpy. But it is what it is. Politics has gone to hell people have lost their minds, and it's making me kinda grumpy and impatient with nonsense these days.

He didn't have Republican dominance, with the likes of McCain, Corker, etc ... And/or Paul Ryan. What could have been, was not possible, due to the never Trumpers. We may get another shot at rational governance, someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

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[Kutnupe14]

Any employees which are furloughed, yet required to work, will be paid, just not on time.

I guess that's better than nothing

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Schumer called this a temper tantrum by Trump. Funny he had no such criticism for Obama in 2013 (over his pet project - ACA). Just more tribalism.

 

[Kutnupe14]

He didn't have Republican dominance, with the likes of McCain, Corker, etc ... And/or Paul Ryan. What could have been, was not possible, due to the never Trumpers. We may get another shot at rational governance, someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

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He DID have Republican dominance. Not siding with the president doesn't make one "not" a Republican. The president has just hasn't been able to fully consolidate the party. Honestly he should have been able to get much more accomplished than he already has, but his inability present things in a reasonable way have hindered that. Keep in mind that many moderate Republicans still rely on not pissing off center, and center-left, voters; in order to get re-elected. When Trump attacks, rather than taking a more diplomatic approach, he's not going to get complete support of the party.

 

[mmpsteve]

He DID have Republican dominance. Not siding with the president doesn't make one "not" a Republican. The president has just hasn't been able to fully consolidate the party. Honestly he should have been able to get much more accomplished than he already has, but his inability present things in a reasonable way have hindered that. Keep in mind that many moderate Republicans still rely on not pissing off center, and center-left, voters; in order to get re-elected. When Trump attacks, rather than taking a more diplomatic approach, he's not going to get complete support of the party.

Yes, I get all that, and you are correct. And then I reflect on the Dems block vote to pass the ACA, to find out what's in it. wtf is wrong with the repubs? It's not the theory of limited government; it must be something else; and then you mention re-election, and yes, sadly, I do capitulate. Lord, have mercy on us all. We had our chance, and ****ed it up.

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[nonobaddog]

What the repubs needed were more congressmen that mindlessly voted as they were told by the party - like robots - like dems.

 

[T.Lex]

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.

 

[baldmax]

Most Government offices are shut down over the holidays anyway. Only non essential personnel will not get paid.

 

[nonobaddog]

Most Government offices are shut down over the holidays anyway. Only non essential personnel will not get paid.

"will not get paid" is still misleading. They will get paid for any time they worked, just not until any shutdown is done. And of course any shutdown WILL end, just a matter of time, unless a major nuclear war breaks out, then we all have bigger problems anyhow.

 

[Kutnupe14]

"will not get paid" is still misleading. They will get paid for any time they worked, just not until any shutdown is done. And of course any shutdown WILL end, just a matter of time, unless a major nuclear war breaks out, then we all have bigger problems anyhow.

If I'm due a paycheck on Friday, and whomever doesn't cut the check, on Friday, saying "you'll get it later," I'm going to call that "not paid." People "traditionally" expect to get paid on a regular schedule, that way they can pay whatever upcoming bills they have. Creditors, I don't think, have a "government shutdown" exemption.