The 2020 General Election Thread II

[JettaKnight]

Dominate/Submissive. It the same for same sex as it is for opposite sex. There's no difference here.

So, in the case of a power bottom, that's the one that has to propose?


And there's no diamond ring, so does it have to be one month salary?


And do you just get down on one knee?

 

[Ingomike]

Is this evidence?

During the Senate hearing today about election integrity in the 2020 election, Trump lawyer Jesse Binnell dropped shocking facts about Nevada’s fraud:


-42k people voted more than once
-1.5k dead people voted
-19k didn’t live in NV
-8k voted from a non-existent address
-15k registered to a commercial address
-4k non-citizens voted

 

[foszoe]

It's close in that it should be easily supported by an independent investigation.

HOWEVER,

None of those would be evidence of FRAUD impacting the election if the votes were not included in the tally and were caught by the appropriate protocols. Nothing you stated said they were ACTUALLY counted and that is where it would matter.

Is this evidence?

During the Senate hearing today about election integrity in the 2020 election, Trump lawyer Jesse Binnell dropped shocking facts about Nevada’s fraud:


-42k people voted more than once
-1.5k dead people voted
-19k didn’t live in NV
-8k voted from a non-existent address
-15k registered to a commercial address
-4k non-citizens voted

 

[Ingomike]

It's close in that it should be easily supported by an independent investigation.

HOWEVER,

None of those would be evidence of FRAUD impacting the election if the votes were not included in the tally and were caught by the appropriate protocols. Nothing you stated said they were ACTUALLY counted and that is where it would matter.

They are all counted votes. What does caught by the appropriate protocols mean? They looked at lists of people that voted and compared that to other government data.

Years ago you could move to Michigan, keep your house in Indy for a rental, and keep claiming a homestead exemption in Indy illegally because they had little chance to catch you. You can no longer do this, the states exchange resident data so you can only claim one homestead exemption in the country. Funny how when money is at stake they figure that out. This same public data can easily be ran against the voter rolls to find those that are voting twice, out of state, or other illegal ways.

 

[BugI02]

It's close in that it should be easily supported by an independent investigation.

HOWEVER,

None of those would be evidence of FRAUD impacting the election if the votes were not included in the tally and were caught by the appropriate protocols. Nothing you stated said they were ACTUALLY counted and that is where it would matter.

I thought the last position at which you had set up your goalposts was 'fraud sufficient to change the outcome'

Well, if 34000 Biden votes were disqualified that would be enough to throw the state to Trump

Mike's post details 89500 such votes

Awaiting 'Nevada's 6 electoral vote would not change the outcome in the EC' while campaigning against similar in depth analyses in the remaining fraud impacted states

 

[Alpo]

Is this evidence?

During the Senate hearing today about election integrity in the 2020 election, Trump lawyer Jesse Binnell dropped shocking facts about Nevada’s fraud:


-42k people voted more than once
-1.5k dead people voted
-19k didn’t live in NV
-8k voted from a non-existent address
-15k registered to a commercial address
-4k non-citizens voted

Actually, it's not. So says 4 separate Nevada court cases who reviewed the pleadings and submissions.

And contestants spill a lot of it attempting to make up their patent lack of admissible evidence with enthusiasm and overstatement. But their zeal rather dramatically outstrips their evidence. And in a court of law, it’s evidence that counts, not Tweets or social media bluster, not hearsay or speculation. It’s evidence, and that’s what’s missing in the record before the court.

The transcript of the entire proceeding is here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/nevada-election-fraud-hearing-transcript-december-3

What is adequate for a Senate subcommittee is not adequate for the Courts, it appears.

Same lawyer. Same words. Expecting different results.

 

[foszoe]

Maybe instead of thinking, cite the post that is interpreted to be saying what is thought to have been said and then we can discuss it.

And because I aim to please

'Nevada's 6 electoral vote would not change the outcome in the EC'

Mike's post does not show that the votes were counted in the tally. That does not mean that Mike is wrong. The only reason to move goalposts in our conversation is in an attempt to keep them 100 yards apart after reading a response.

I thought the last position at which you had set up your goalposts was 'fraud sufficient to change the outcome'

Well, if 34000 Biden votes were disqualified that would be enough to throw the state to Trump

Mike's post details 89500 such votes

Awaiting 'Nevada's 6 electoral vote would not change the outcome in the EC' while campaigning against similar in depth analyses in the remaining fraud impacted states

 

[BugI02]

Actually, it's not. So says 4 separate Nevada court cases who reviewed the pleadings and submissions.



The transcript of the entire proceeding is here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/nevada-election-fraud-hearing-transcript-december-3

What is adequate for a Senate subcommittee is not adequate for the Courts, it appears.

Same lawyer. Same words. Expecting different results.

If there winds up being a seconded objection during the counting of the EC votes, does your style sheet say whether to label it a 'Trump coup" or a 'Pence coup'. Asking for a friend

 

[Alpo]

Maybe instead of thinking, cite the post that is interpreted to be saying what is thought to have been said and then we can discuss it.

And because I aim to please

'Nevada's 6 electoral vote would not change the outcome in the EC'

Mike's post does not show that the votes were counted in the tally. That does not mean that Mike is wrong. The only reason to move goalposts in our conversation is in an attempt to keep them 100 yards apart after reading a response.

They are not even votes. They are speculations. Depositions support the speculative nature of some of the claims. The expert witness was no "expert" as it related to his allegations. He didn't actually perform the work to support his allegations. An example

But Mr. Campbell offers the court no evidence with respect to the date of death of the voters he identifies here or fundamentally. He doesn’t, in fact, identify even a single voter whose ballot was cast after he or she passed away. Not one. And yet he claimed that there are thousands. You’d think he would attach them to a declaration, that he would come forward with a report, that he’d name even one. The same is true of Mr. Campbell’s allegations of voters who voted twice. He didn’t do the critical data file matching, can’t testify for the match rate of the false positives or the error rate. This is precisely why courts across the country have routinely rejected this sort of slipshod analysis and absolutely insufficient in voting rights and voter registration cases.

 

[Alpo]

If there winds up being a seconded objection during the counting of the EC votes, does your style sheet say whether to label it a 'Trump coup" or a 'Pence coup'. Asking for a friend

Ignored. Is this just an attempt to get the thread deleted? It seems you continuously push that envelope.

 

[BugI02]

Ignored. Is this just an attempt to get the thread deleted? It seems you continuously push that envelope.

I believe the way that works is I would get myself deleted. I do have a real question whether your contention that we should all accept the outcome of the constitutionally specified election process would survive a last minute setback, hence wondering whether you would elect to use the 'coup' moniker to describe such an event

 

[BugI02]

Ignored. Is this just an attempt to get the thread deleted? It seems you continuously push that envelope.

I believe the way that works is I would get myself deleted. I do have a real question whether your contention that we should all accept the outcome of the constitutionally specified election process would survive a last minute setback, hence wondering whether you would elect to use the 'coup' moniker to describe such an event

Edit: No matter how much the envelope is pushed, it is still stationery

 

[Alpo]

The ruling, Dec 4, 2020. A 35 page document. Here are extracts.

Judge James Russell ruled Friday against the Trump campaign’s unprecedented request to either block certification of the state’s presidential election results or award the state’s electoral votes to Trump, saying in a written order that the campaign’s claims of voter fraud to the level needed to bring the state’s presidential results into question fell far short of the evidentiary standard needed to contest the results of the presidential election.

In his 35-page order, Russell wrote that he found the evidence offered by the Trump campaign to have “little to no value,” and failed to provide under any standard of proof that the campaign’s long list of alleged fraud and vote irregularities could be backed up under any evidentiary standard.


“Contestants did not prove under any standard of proof that any illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, for any other improper or illegal reason, nor in an amount equal to or greater than 33,596, or otherwise in an amount sufficient to raise reasonable doubt as to the outcome of the election,” Russell wrote in the order. “Reasonable doubt is one based on reason, not mere possibility.”

 

[printcraft]

Ignored. Is this just an attempt to get the thread deleted? It seems you continuously push that envelope.

Nothing in his statement even approached the envelope let alone pushed on it.

 

[T.Lex]

Speaking of envelopes, it seems like we're overlooking some real rhetorical oppression: gimbals. Gimbals are always limited, locked or otherwise prevented from doing things.

I say, freedom for gimbals.

 

[buckwacker]

Nothing in his statement even approached the envelope let alone pushed on it.

It's his way of avoiding uncomfortable questions?

 

[printcraft]

The have the gimbal machines roped off and covered in Meijer due to covid... freaking shame, kids can't even have fun.

 

[Alpo]

It's his way of avoiding uncomfortable questions?

No. It's a matter of finishing a point. This thread wanders so much that, for example, when Mike posts a claim of fraud, it might or might not ever be addressed or, if addressed, it might not be directly responded to...other than brought back up again at a later point as if there was no countering response. So, let's review the bidding:

Mike: Binnell testifies to Senate Committee about fraud.

Alpo: Same claims he made in the Carson City case where the judge ruled against him for lack of evidence.

Mike: No court has ever looked at the evidence. They just rule.

Alpo: Depositions were taken in this case. Documentation and affidavits purporting to be evidence of fraud were presented. The evidence did not survive as such in the light of day. Judge rules against Trump campaign lawyers.

So, in this regard, a number of things are now known.

Except, what will the media now report? The 35 page ruling by the Carson City District Court....or the continually debunked claims of an attorney?

 

[Ingomike]

Well we have cases moving to SCOTUS.

 

[Ingomike]