The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[SheepDog4Life]

The point was that the circumstances they were able to use for this process failed at the 51 threshold. If they change the rules to allow only 51 votes for normal legislation where does that really get them or even the US in the end? What happens if and when the Democrats gain control again? Sorry but at some point to make this work there's going to have to be some compromise.

Under strict Budget Reconciliation rules, only changes that increase/decrease taxes and spending are allowed. So, no true "repeal", and definitely no "replace" as no rule changes are allowed. For example, under these "rules" the "mandate" would remain, only the penalty would be changed to $0.

Which is presumably why McCain voted against, as he had voted several times and ran upon repeal.

 

[Dddrees]

Under strict Budget Reconciliation rules, only changes that increase/decrease taxes and spending are allowed. So, no true "repeal", and definitely no "replace" as no rule changes are allowed. For example, under these "rules" the "mandate" would remain, only the penalty would be changed to $0.

Which is presumably why McCain voted against, as he had voted several times and ran upon repeal.

So here we are. So I very much doubt given the divides that exist in the Republican Party even if they changed the rules so that only 51 votes were required for normal legislation that the Republican Party could pass anything on their own with regards to healthcare.

 

[Dddrees]

Pentagon: No formal memo yet on Transgender Ban.

 

[printcraft]

Pentagon: No formal memo yet on Transgender Ban.

This really seems to have gotten your skirt ruffled.

 

[ghitch75]

This really seems to have gotten your skirt ruffled.

 

[jamil]

This really seems to have gotten your skirt ruffled.

~ 0.3% of the general population are "real" transgenders (that is, people who actually have the disorder vs people who say they do for social reasons). So, let's give the benefit of the doubt that this proportion is is also true for people joining the military. I strongly suspect the skirt ruffling is primarily tribal, since we're only talking about a policy which would affect ~4200 people out of 1.4 million.

I know that there has been some reporting that estimates the number at more like ~15000. Okay, fine, let's say that for some reason, being in the military attracts transgenders at a rate higher than the general population. We're still talking about a policy that affects 15K of 1.4 million. How that's become the most important issue facing the military now must be a function of political posturing more than because of the actual importance of the issue.

I'm not dismissing the issue, I'm just saying that there are probably more important issues than what the military disposition should be for a comparatively small group of people who have this specific mental condition. This kind of applies to both sides of the issue too. Why is it a big thing for Trump to tweet about this? There's a reason he made this a bigger deal than it is, and there's a reason progressives are making a bigger deal of it than there is.

 

[printcraft]

....Okay, fine, let's say that for some reason being in the military attracts transgenders at a rate higher than the general population. .........

Navy could be skewing the results......

 

[actaeon277]

Navy could be skewing the results......

 

[HoughMade]

Scaramucci out?

Anthony Scaramucci out as White House communications director - ABC News

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony...-role-as-white-house-communications-director/

I am about done with "benefit of the doubt" for this so-called administration.

 

[Alpo]

[video=youtube_share;DAacUTsOjv4]http://youtu.be/DAacUTsOjv4[/video]

 

[JettaKnight]

Scaramucci out?

Anthony Scaramucci out as White House communications director - ABC News

Anthony Scaramucci removed as White House communications director - CBS News

I am about done with "benefit of the doubt" for this so-called administration.

10 days...


It's way more dysfunctional than we expected. Or at least hoped.

 

[Denny347]

This really seems to have gotten your skirt ruffled.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Photobucket sucks anymore.

 

[actaeon277]

Photobucket sucks anymore.

Sure does.

 

[Dddrees]

10 days...


It's way more dysfunctional than we expected. Or at least hoped.

Whatever gave anyone any hope that this guy had ever projected any degree of good judgement or stability? Long before he was elected there were many indicators that he didn't. His campaign certainly never depicted he was and a good number of his associates and people who wrote books on him said he wasn't.

 

[Dddrees]

~ 0.3% of the general population are "real" transgenders (that is, people who actually have the disorder vs people who say they do for social reasons). So, let's give the benefit of the doubt that this proportion is is also true for people joining the military. I strongly suspect the skirt ruffling is primarily tribal, since we're only talking about a policy which would affect ~4200 people out of 1.4 million.

I know that there has been some reporting that estimates the number at more like ~15000. Okay, fine, let's say that for some reason, being in the military attracts transgenders at a rate higher than the general population. We're still talking about a policy that affects 15K of 1.4 million. How that's become the most important issue facing the military now must be a function of political posturing more than because of the actual importance of the issue.

I'm not dismissing the issue, I'm just saying that there are probably more important issues than what the military disposition should be for a comparatively small group of people who have this specific mental condition. This kind of applies to both sides of the issue too. Why is it a big thing for Trump to tweet about this? There's a reason he made this a bigger deal than it is, and there's a reason progressives are making a bigger deal of it than there is.

The skirt ruffling per say has everything to do with Trumps Policy by Tweet. Just one more example of how incompetent he trully is.

 

[KLB]

Photobucket sucks anymore.

It is blocked where I work.

 

[KLB]

Scaramucci out?

Anthony Scaramucci out as White House communications director - ABC News

Anthony Scaramucci removed as White House communications director - CBS News

I am about done with "benefit of the doubt" for this so-called administration.

About done?

They are definitely something different.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Scaramucci out?

Anthony Scaramucci out as White House communications director - ABC News

Anthony Scaramucci removed as White House communications director - CBS News

I am about done with "benefit of the doubt" for this so-called administration.

Apparently, new Chief of Staff Kelly fired Scaramucci post haste... like within an hour of Kelly's swearing in.

Kelly faces a herculean task ahead, but firing Scaramucci was a good first move. He had no business being in the WH and especially not as Communications Director. Taking away the official @POTUS twitter password, enforcing some discipline/coordination on Trump's personal twitter account, and firing a few more leakers would be promising second steps.

 

[Dddrees]

Apparently, new Chief of Staff Kelly fired Scaramucci post haste... like within an hour of Kelly's swearing in.

Kelly faces a herculean task ahead, but firing Scaramucci was a good first move. He had no business being in the WH and especially not as Communications Director. Taking away the official @POTUS twitter password, enforcing some discipline/coordination on Trump's personal twitter account, and firing a few more leakers would be promising second steps.

Trump is 71 yrs old. He may in fact recognize something at this point was necessary, I just don't see him sticking with it. He's just way too erratic. Good idea like this has a expiration date, or is that an expiration time. Anyone care to venture how long it lasts?

Anyone really believe he can be more Presidential than any other President with exception of Lincoln. Restraint doesn't - Trump. As I was told in another thread Trump wasn't elected for that reason. Trump was elected to be a disrupter.