The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[Birds Away]

BTW if you do not believe that Maggy was as bad as she is made out to be, go to all of the liberal fact check sites and you will discover that you are absolutely right.

It is on the internet it must be true. Progressives do not white wash history.

The part about her appears to be factual from what research I have done.

 

[2A_Tom]

Not according to snopes.

 

[Birds Away]

Not according to snopes.

Could we find someone with some integrity to take a look at it?

 

[Kutnupe14]

BTW if you do not believe that Maggy was as bad as she is made out to be, go to all of the liberal fact check sites and you will discover that you are absolutely right.

It is on the internet it must be true. Progressives do not white wash history.

The bringing up of Margret Sanger, wanting to wage genocide against minorities as an argument against PP, has always been a non-starter for me. Regardless if she was racist or not, how effective has her "plan" been? Yeah, not very. Nowadays PP is killing almost as many whites as Blacks. Have you seen the demographic projections for the United States in the next few decades? If you take that into account, it would seem her plan has thoroughly backfired. PP is really going to need to crank it up if they plan on offsetting what seems like the inevitable. How about you just focus on opposing abortions for all people, rather than citing specific groups?

 

[Dddrees]

Oh, goodie. Now we're back to abortion. This always goes well here.

Seems as though Pro Lifers are so entrenched on this. Just have to wonder if they are so righteous that they are willing to pay for these unwanted children as well?

 

[Birds Away]

Seems as though Pro Lifers are so entrenched on this. Just have to wonder if they are so righteous that they are willing to pay for these unwanted children as well?

If I didn't want a child or couldn't support it I would make sure that it wasn't conceived. If for some reason conception still occurred I would do everything in my power to support that child. Being too stupid or lazy or irresponsible to use birth control shouldn't give you carte blanche to commit murder.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Seems as though Pro Lifers are so entrenched on this. Just have to wonder if they are so righteous that they are willing to pay for these unwanted children as well?

That's the catch 22 isn't it? Force someone to have a child they can't pay for, and then tell them to get by on their own.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If I didn't want a child or couldn't support it I would make sure that it wasn't conceived. If for some reason conception still occurred I would do everything in my power to support that child. Being too stupid or lazy or irresponsible to use birth control shouldn't give you carte blanche to commit murder.

And if you couldn't support that child? Put the child on someone's doorstep?

 

[2A_Tom]

Rather teach her to use aspirin.

 

[Dddrees]

That's the catch 22 isn't it? Force someone to have a child they can't pay for, and then tell them to get by on their own.

Not only that but there are plenty of parents who have kids now that don't either have great parenting skills or already are making us pay their bills. Yes, yes, let's force more people to do what they don't want to do in the first place.

Gee I hope when your ready to force people who don't want to do something that your willing to face the consequences.

 

[Birds Away]

And if you couldn't support that child? Put the child on someone's doorstep?

Because there are no government programs that assist people in that situation? I would do everything in my power and would, if absolutely necessary, accept assistance from my family.

 

[Dddrees]

If I didn't want a child or couldn't support it I would make sure that it wasn't conceived. If for some reason conception still occurred I would do everything in my power to support that child. Being too stupid or lazy or irresponsible to use birth control shouldn't give you carte blanche to commit murder.

But that's you and more power and respect to you, however I would guess that's not the case for the majority.

 

[2A_Tom]

Lazy people take the easy way out.

 

[Birds Away]

Not only that but there are plenty of parents who have kids now that don't either have great parenting skills or already are making us pay their bills. Yes, yes, let's force more people to do what they don't want to do in the first place.

Gee I hope when your ready to force people who don't want to do something that your willing to face the consequences.

I don't like abortion, I believe it is murder. I never said I wanted to make it illegal. I said I believe it is wrong. I am not one of you radical leftists that believe that anything I don't like should immediately be outlawed and forced down everyone else's throat.

 

[llh1956]

Abortion = legal murder, killing a person for what ever reason = not legal murder. Murderers should suffer the same consequences!

 

[Dddrees]

I don't like abortion, I believe it is murder. I never said I wanted to make it illegal. I said I believe it is wrong. I am not one of you radical leftists that believe that anything I don't like should immediately be outlawed and forced down everyone else's throat.

Ok, I understand. I wasn't aware of that. So maybe quoting you when trying to make my point wasn't the best thing to do in this situation. I apologize for selecting your statement to make my point,

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't like abortion, I believe it is murder. I never said I wanted to make it illegal. I said I believe it is wrong. I am not one of you radical leftists that believe that anything I don't like should immediately be outlawed and forced down everyone else's throat.

I believe it I morally wrong, but I don't believe it is murder. I would try to convince someone not to do it, but I firmly believe it is their right.

 

[Dddrees]

Lazy people take the easy way out.

So do you wish to make it illegal? If so you willing to also pay more for these lazy people. Also are women who have been raped Lazy as well? Do they fall into that same category and what do you suggest they do? How about the cases where it's either a case of life or death for mother or child. How would you as a husband or father feel in this situation?

 

[Birds Away]

I believe it I morally wrong, but I don't believe it is murder. I would try to convince someone not to do it, but I firmly believe it is their right.

I must say first that I respect your opinion and also your right to disagree with me. The difference between immorally taking a life and murder/manslaughter/other definitions of illegally taking another life is just splitting legal hairs. That is a distinctly different human being regardless of where it happens to be in its earliest developmental stages. A woman who allows a man to inseminate her has tacitly agreed to host the product of said act.

Again, that's my belief, others certainly disagree.

 

[Birds Away]

So do you wish to make it illegal? If so you willing to also pay more for these lazy people. Also are women who have been raped Lazy as well? Do they fall into that same category and what do you suggest they do? How about the cases where it's either a case of life or death for mother or child. How would you as a husband or father feel in this situation?

The number of women who are pregnant as a result of rape or who's lives are threatened by pregnancy are extremely small. The left only mentions rape and incest when talking about abortion. If rape and incest are such common occurrences why do we only discuss it when talking about abortion? Shouldn't we be having a national discussion about this epidemic?