That didn't last long. ABC Cancels Roseanne after tweet about Obama aid.

[indiucky]

Let's see how freedom-loving we all are...

Anyone think Sam Bee should be fired?

Edit: To clarify... Not as "what do you think should be done"... but what you would do, as someone uninvolved, what you want to be done.

An apology.....I am trying to be consistent....

 

[ArcadiaGP]

An apology.....I am trying to be consistent....

Well here's TBS's hilarious apology (ironic, given the tweet it's following)

And here's Sam's

I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it.

https://twitter.com/iamsambee/status/1002252496532856832

 

[Alpo]

436 posts....

....Hate to say it, boys, but if these were all by a new member, you wouldn't get a pass into the classifieds at this point.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Fire Sam Bee?

Dear Goodness, NO! Have her keep talking. Mother of Pearl, get her a special,promote the heck out of it. Give that woman a bigger megaphone!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Sam Bee has to fill out an FEC form for Trump 2020=>https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...nts-pac/making-kind-contributions-candidates/

 

[T.Lex]

You know, I hadn't considered the idea that it was scripted.

If so, then more people should be fired. Up and down that chain of decisionmaking.

If it wasn't, then just her.

Oh, and to be clear, this has nothing to do with the Roseanne cancellation issue. I really do see these as 2 separate kinds of things.

Also to be clear, "c" word usage can be excusable/appropriate in the context of a scripted dramatic work or a documentary, IMHO. But, the usage should be as a signal about the character of the character saying it. I just don't see how a monologue for TV is the appropriate context.

 

[JettaKnight]

I think people are burying the lede on this.

What percentage of Americans actually know what "feckless" means? WAY more people know the "c" word.

And yeah, I think some care needs to be taken in terms of equating people who say offensive words. POTUS can use ... colorful... language, too.

What percentage of Americans use the lingo 'lede'?

Make no mistake: if I were the boss of the "c" word lady, I'd fire her. That's not appropriate in any business setting. But there's a difference IMHO to using offensive language and revealing offensive character. Roseanne is in the latter. I'm not sure about the "c" word lady's character.

I am - she is offensive and I'll prefer she'd be fired. But that's TBS's call, and I don't have cable...

 

[jamil]

Mostly referring to the loud twitter conservatives screaming about "DOUBLE STANDARD" and saying she should be fired for it.

If you're asking what I would have done, I wouldn't have canceled Roseanne's show. She said something pretty bad, and I can see maybe putting some financial penalty on her, but I'm not going to take one stupid tweet and affect all those people's jobs.

Comparing the characters between racist tweeters and people who call the President's daughter a ****, exemplifies one of the core things going wrong with societal discourse. They're both hateful. I don't think ether makes one person's character measurably different from the other. If that's what the conservatives are saying, and I'm doubtful that it is what they're saying, but if it is. They're right.

Let's try to gain a perspective where we value talking about the problems more than shouting about the problems. Maybe then we'd have fewer racist tweets and we'd see fewer people thinking that it's okay to call the president's daughter a ****. <irony>Unless it's Chelsea Clinton. That **** is evil.</irony>

 

[Route 45]

Fire Sam Bee?

Dear Goodness, NO! Have her keep talking. Mother of Pearl, get her a special,promote the heck out of it. Give that woman a bigger megaphone!

That is a really good take on it. I agree. Never interrupt your enemy when they are destroying themselves.

 

[jamil]

To the extent that society has accepted Roseanne's apology, society should accept Samantha Bee's.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

To the extent that society has accepted Roseanne's apology, society should accept Samantha Bee's.

Ehhhh... They're definitely different situations. There are some apologies I'll accept, and some I won't. Apologies are just fake obligations these days, anyway. Something you "gotta do" to move on.

Having had time to look at the Roseanne situation with more detail... I do accept her apology, but this isn't the first time she's used the "ape" insult against a black woman. One time is a fluke... two times is unfortunate... three times is an ingrained habit. She gets one more slip-up with me. It was also said on a personal level, not rehearsed, not written, and ... fine... with an addled state-of-mind.

Samantha Bee is young. She has a history of saying hateful things to her political opposites. She's also a shock-jock, so this sort of thing is her business. She didn't "slip up"... she's just apologizing because she didn't get the desired response from society. (That, and admittedly, "conservatives" do have a little more room to fire back at her with the Roseanne thing.) If the Roseanne thing never happened, I doubt we'd be talking about the Samantha Bee thing.

If someone with no history of being a **** slips up and says something crude... sure, accept that one.

If someone with a history of being a vapid **** does ****-ish things and, whoops, steps over some invisible line... nah. I'll acknowledge you did the normal apology thing, but I don't really see a reason to accept it. You knew what you were doing.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I had no idea Samantha Bee had a show. I'm assuming it's some sort of Daily Show copy cat?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That is a really good take on it. I agree. Never interrupt your enemy when they are destroying themselves.

Let us wait 20 minutes then; when the enemy is making false moves, we must be careful not to interrupt him.

(From memory)

Attributed to Napoleon at Austerlitz (Battle of the Three Emperors)

 

[indiucky]

I had no idea Samantha Bee had a show. I'm assuming it's some sort of Daily Show copy cat?

But not very funny...More anger than giggles....

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I had no idea Samantha Bee had a show. I'm assuming it's some sort of Daily Show copy cat?

Correct. Scripted, full of straw men, like a Kirk Freeman INGO argument.

 

[BugI02]

I think satisfying people is a futile goal.

If you're still married, one must assume you still try despite your expectations for success

 

[jamil]

Ehhhh... They're definitely different situations. There are some apologies I'll accept, and some I won't. Apologies are just fake obligations these days, anyway. Something you "gotta do" to move on.

Having had time to look at the Roseanne situation with more detail... I do accept her apology, but this isn't the first time she's used the "ape" insult against a black woman. One time is a fluke... two times is unfortunate... three times is an ingrained habit. She gets one more slip-up with me. It was also said on a personal level, not rehearsed, not written, and ... fine... with an addled state-of-mind.

Samantha Bee is young. She has a history of saying hateful things to her political opposites. She's also a shock-jock, so this sort of thing is her business. She didn't "slip up"... she's just apologizing because she didn't get the desired response from society. (That, and admittedly, "conservatives" do have a little more room to fire back at her with the Roseanne thing.) If the Roseanne thing never happened, I doubt we'd be talking about the Samantha Bee thing.

If someone with no history of being a **** slips up and says something crude... sure, accept that one.

If someone with a history of being a vapid **** does ****-ish things and, whoops, steps over some invisible line... nah. I'll acknowledge you did the normal apology thing, but I don't really see a reason to accept it. You knew what you were doing.

I'd like to see the sides favoring Bee and Roseanne both make the case to justify their moral differences.

 

[jamil]

If you're still married, one must assume you still try despite your expectations for success

Intimate contexts weren't what I had in mind.

 

[HoughMade]

But not very funny...More anger than giggles....

I don't quite get taking reruns of TV shows off the air based on something an actor in them did.

 

[printcraft]

I don't quite get taking reruns of TV shows off the air based on something an actor in them did.

Not even the actors have to do something to offend...