SWAT invasion of innocent people's house here in Evansville, Indiana

[Roadie]

If any of you have ever been to your local Topix(they have one for almost every city and town), you will quickly realize it is an unmoderated message board. You do not have to sign-up to post. You can use any name you want to use, even names already in use. You can also post about almost anything you want. For the EPD to get a warrant based off the crap that is on Topix, there is a judge in Evansville that needs to be replaced.

Exactly. Add to this how easy it is to tap someone else's WiFI.. and you have an entire comedy of errors.

 

[mrjarrell]

Exactly. Add to this how easy it is to tap someone else's WiFI.. and you have an entire comedy of errors.

Forget the whole using someones Wi-Fi. Any 13 year old script kiddy can spoof an IP with a minimum of fuss. That's why judges who aren't stuck on stupid are refusing to go along with John Doe warrants for the whole "pirating" scam being pulled by publishers, record and film companies and others. An IP address doesn't mean anything.

 

[Roadie]

Forget the whole using someones Wi-Fi. Any 13 year old script kiddy can spoof an IP with a minimum of fuss. That's why judges who aren't stuck on stupid are refusing to go along with John Doe warrants for the whole "pirating" scam being pulled by publishers, record and film companies and others. An IP address doesn't mean anything.

Excellent point.

Not too hard to set someone up either. Find out their MAC Address, spoof it and their IP, and you have a connection that not only looks like it comes from their router, but their computer as well.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Update from C&P:

Second search warrant requested for probe of threat against Evansville police » Evansville Courier & Press

 

[jeremy]

Update from C&P:

Second search warrant requested for probe of threat against Evansville police » Evansville Courier & Press

Why doesn't EPD just go door to door of every house in Evil and see if they can find the person(s) responsible...

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Indiana Attorney petitioned to indict Judge Kiely

From this link it looks like the AG tried to indict this particular judge before.

Can anyone tell for sure if this is legit?

 

[serpicostraight]

Why doesn't EPD just go door to door of every house in Evil and see if they can find the person(s) responsible...

loyds stadium is empty. it would make a good place to hold suspects. the round ups will commence shortly.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

*Roberts Stadium (it is by the Lloyd Expressway- which has stoplights BTW)

 

[serpicostraight]

*Roberts Stadium (it is by the Lloyd Expressway- which has stoplights BTW)

oh yea your right. i leave town for a few days and forget the name of the old ford center

 

[Titanium_Frost]

oh yea your right. i leave town for a few days and forget the name of the old ford center

Oh many of us now call it the Future Sink Hole...

 

[japartridge]

I dont consider detectives to be everyday police men. They aren't out in their cars responding to calls all night long. SWAT guys are still out giving tickets, dealing with idiot drunks, etc

I still believe in a some cases no knock warrants are bull**** and will get someone killed, this one could very well have ended that way. However, they investigated, evidence led them to that home and they did their job. They were wrong, it happens. Cant really fault them for that. I still say the biggest mistake here is inviting the media.

Umm, am I missing something here? they investigated, I think not. Also if all they need is an Internet posting for an NKW, we are all in some deep ****! Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the first amendment cover Internet postings as well? Really an NKW based on an internet posting from an IP address? I can spoof an IP address in about 10 seconds, crack typical home users WiFi passwords in about 15 minutes, how the hell is that basis for a warrant, let alone a full SWAT breech?!?

On top of that the police are refusing to disclose the warrant? That's bull**** right there, I wonder if the warrant in question even exists/existed before this went public!

I'm sorry, someone breaks in my door, they will be answered with 9mm, or 7.62x39, whichever is handier! I think this country's LEO and judicial branches need an enema!

 

[Prometheus]

An IP address does not equal a person. If you have a wifi connection that is unprotected it can be accessed by anyone at the location including someone parked along the street or by someone in near by houses depending on the signal strength. The judge who issued the search warrant may want to review recent case law.

Judge Rules IP-Address Does Not Equal a Person | San Gabriel Personal Injury Attorney

Finally, a Judge That Understands that an IP Is Not a Person

Aside from that, most wifi connections aren't that difficult to hack by someone with the right equipment and knowledge. It happens all the time.

Judges are rubber stamps for warrants at this point. The system has completely broke down.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Pretty interesting update. Appears as though the judge was LYING about sealing the first warrant and really just ignored the law and did as he pleased.

Evansville police did not have specific person when seeking warrant in online threat » Evansville Courier & Press

 

[KLB]

Pretty interesting update. Appears as though the judge was LYING about sealing the first warrant and really just ignored the law and did as he pleased.

Evansville police did not have specific person when seeking warrant in online threat » Evansville Courier & Press

Wow. What an absolute joke.

 

[CathyInBlue]

A sick joke with a bad punch line.

 

[CX1]

Bolin said police had no way of knowing if an unsecured wireless Internet network in the home could have been accessed by someone outside it. He also said Friday department records indicated relatives associated with the address had criminal histories

So are they stating there was in fact an unsecured wireless network in the home?
And what does it mean 'relatives associated with an address'?
What I mean by that is are they meaning lived there at one point or had mail there or could it be a distant uncle who the people living at the address never even met? What is the standard to be considered 'associated' with an address?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

So are they stating there was in fact an unsecured wireless network in the home?
And what does it mean 'relatives associated with an address'?
What I mean by that is are they meaning lived there at one point or had mail there or could it be a distant uncle who the people living at the address never even met? What is the standard to be considered 'associated' with an address?

This is only my speculation but:

1. I believe he is trying to sidestep the issue of an unsecured WiFi and therefore they would have had the reason to assume that the perpetrators were inside with the computer equipment they procured the warrant to [STRIKE]steal[/STRIKE] I mean seize.

2. It could have come up with an information search of the address. Any one anywhere at anytime that had anything at all to do with that address or linked to any of the current listed occupants in the entire police database which is ridiculously huge.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I read it as they had relatives who had a criminal record and may not even live at that house or visit it. In other words just because you are related to a criminal is good enough reason to have 2 grenades thrown at you.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Great article that has additional interviews with an EPD captain that until recently was in charge of SWAT.

Pro Libertate: "Showtime Syndrome" in Evansville: Online Trash Talk about Cops Triggers SWAT Raid

 

[looney2ns]

Great article that has additional interviews with an EPD captain that until recently was in charge of SWAT.

Pro Libertate: "Showtime Syndrome" in Evansville: Online Trash Talk about Cops Triggers SWAT Raid

Just wow.