Sanders: 'We have got to apologize for slavery

[rambone]

Why was there a collective apology/payout, to Japanese internment camp prisoners?

Well, they deserved it for the abuses they endured, that's why. It was delivered to surviving victims in 1988. It came 46 years after the fact, but still, it was directed at people who were actually there.

NY TIMES: Anyone who spent any time in an internment camp will be eligible for an award, which will be tax free. Awards will go only to those who were actually interned, not to the estates of internees who are dead.

Why does the federal govt still support Indian reservations? I've never killed an Indian, and my parents weren't even alive during the war. Why are we subject to past ill behavior?

I'd end the perpetual Indian welfare system, for the same reason. The offenders are dead, and so are the victims. But this mess is tied up treaties.

 

[jamil]

Why was there a collective apology/payout, to Japanese internment camp prisoners? Why does the federal govt still support Indian reservations? I've never killed an Indian, and my parents weren't even alive during the war. Why are we subject to past ill behavior?

That's a bit different from what we're discussing though. The US government ordered the internment. It was wrong. The US government still exists. I think those interned have a legitimate claim against the US government.

As for the Indian Reservations, I don't really know enough about that to comment. I never understood that. I don't know why. I think at this point the whole idea of reservations don't make sense.

Not so much when they've already been handed out.

You're really dodging what really makes the difference. Why? Just say it. I promise I won't be offended.

 

[KG1]

Let's just get down to the nuts and bolts of it. An apology would'nt mean squat. Things would just continue on the same path anyway. Too many people are invested in it.

 

[Alpo]

A couple of things. My father's folks came to the US before the Russian Revolution. My mom's faught in the civil war for the north; they were Canadian and got citizenship as a result of participating in the war. As far as I know, they didn't have slaves from Nigeria, Gabon or elsewhere in the Ukraine or Ireland, so I doubt that slavery was much to the benefit of my family.

Slavery is a bad thing. You can say what you want about states rights or the positive aspects of the confederacy, but slavery was a stain on this nation and if we don't recognize it as such, then I don't think we think about human beings in quite the same way. Do you or I have to apologize for it? No. But there are a whole bunch of folks who are racist in this country that still represent a stain on us, the champions of individual freedom for all. I despise those folks. I don't apologize for them either, but I wish their families has practiced more stringent birth control.

As to Bernie, he is a decent man. What is an American socialist? I don't know. There are some here who think of him only with contempt. I'd say that you probably don't understand him. Sure, you can quote him or read the opinions of others who attack him. But, he's a decent guy. There are not many of those in Congress.

I've said before that we each get a vote. Mine will never go to Hillary. Perhaps Webb will come along. Perhaps not. If not, I'd rather see Bernie even though I disagree with him on many issues. Why? Because he's a decent man.

Get it?

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's a bit different from what we're discussing though. The US government ordered the internment. It was wrong. The US government still exists. I think those interned have a legitimate claim against the US government.

As for the Indian Reservations, I don't really know enough about that to comment. I never understood that. I don't know why. I think at this point the whole idea of reservations don't make sense.



You're really dodging what really makes the difference. Why? Just say it. I promise I won't be offended.

So my parents should be liable for people they had no hand in victimizing solely because they fall under that govt's jurisdiction?

 

[Alpo]

I like it when politicians make off the cuff statements. You tend to get more honesty and Freudian slips than when they issue prepared remarks. In this case, we see that Sanders is pandering to a demographic he is losing. We also see he gets himself bogged down in populists issues that have nothing to do with being the chief executive of a government. In that respect, he is like most candidates. But he can't fix a 150 year old crime, and it shows bad judgement to try to do so.

The issue was raised by the reporter, wasn't it? Since when have reporters stuck to crucial issues for this democracy?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Probably the only person in the race so far that I would not consider a "decent person" is Hillary. I will not vote for her nor most of rest of them.

I'm sure Barack Obama is decent enough. If he were my next door neighbors, as long as we didn't talk about politics, I'm sure we'd get a along just fine. I'm sure if Bernie were my neighbor, we'd get along fine too. But I'm not voting for who will be my next door neighbor. I'll be voting for the person that I think will lead the country in the best direction and towards socialism ain't it.

A couple of things. My father's folks came to the US before the Russian Revolution. My mom's faught in the civil war for the north; they were Canadian and got citizenship as a result of participating in the war. As far as I know, they didn't have slaves from Nigeria, Gabon or elsewhere in the Ukraine or Ireland, so I doubt that slavery was much to the benefit of my family.

Slavery is a bad thing. You can say what you want about states rights or the positive aspects of the confederacy, but slavery was a stain on this nation and if we don't recognize it as such, then I don't think we think about human beings in quite the same way. Do you or I have to apologize for it? No. But there are a whole bunch of folks who are racist in this country that still represent a stain on us, the champions of individual freedom for all. I despise those folks. I don't apologize for them either, but I wish their families has practiced more stringent birth control.

As to Bernie, he is a decent man. What is an American socialist? I don't know. There are some here who think of him only with contempt. I'd say that you probably don't understand him. Sure, you can quote him or read the opinions of others who attack him. But, he's a decent guy. There are not many of those in Congress.

I've said before that we each get a vote. Mine will never go to Hillary. Perhaps Webb will come along. Perhaps not. If not, I'd rather see Bernie even though I disagree with him on many issues. Why? Because he's a decent man.

Get it?

 

[jamil]

So my parents should be liable for people they had no hand in victimizing solely because they fall under that govt's jurisdiction?

I wish I didn't have to pay for my government's mistakes. My son and his posterity will be paying well into the future. If I had my way, only the dip****s who actually had a hand in it, and the dip****s that voted for those dip****s would pay for it. But that's not how it works. So what's yer point?

 

[jamil]

A couple of things. My father's folks came to the US before the Russian Revolution. My mom's faught in the civil war for the north; they were Canadian and got citizenship as a result of participating in the war. As far as I know, they didn't have slaves from Nigeria, Gabon or elsewhere in the Ukraine or Ireland, so I doubt that slavery was much to the benefit of my family.

Slavery is a bad thing. You can say what you want about states rights or the positive aspects of the confederacy, but slavery was a stain on this nation and if we don't recognize it as such, then I don't think we think about human beings in quite the same way. Do you or I have to apologize for it? No. But there are a whole bunch of folks who are racist in this country that still represent a stain on us, the champions of individual freedom for all. I despise those folks. I don't apologize for them either, but I wish their families has practiced more stringent birth control.

As to Bernie, he is a decent man. What is an American socialist? I don't know. There are some here who think of him only with contempt. I'd say that you probably don't understand him. Sure, you can quote him or read the opinions of others who attack him. But, he's a decent guy. There are not many of those in Congress.

I've said before that we each get a vote. Mine will never go to Hillary. Perhaps Webb will come along. Perhaps not. If not, I'd rather see Bernie even though I disagree with him on many issues. Why? Because he's a decent man.

Get it?

Well, yeah, we got it the first time you said it.

 

[Alpo]

Well, yeah, we got it the first time you said it.

If you mean you and your apprentice. Maybe. The rest? I don't think so.

 

[BugI02]

Why was there a collective apology/payout, to Japanese internment camp prisoners? Why does the federal govt still support Indian reservations? I've never killed an Indian, and my parents weren't even alive during the war. Why are we subject to past ill behavior?

The reservations are sovereign tribal territory, ceded to them in treaties between what were considered to be sovereign nations. Be careful what you wish for. I have encountered any number of people in the world at large who would (at least they profess) gladly force march african-americans to some land of marginal value and set up a reservation for them.


ETA: I'm not aware of anyone having considered african-americans as a sovereign nation within our nation, hence no treaties.

 

[BugI02]

A couple of things. My father's folks came to the US before the Russian Revolution. My mom's faught in the civil war for the north; they were Canadian and got citizenship as a result of participating in the war. As far as I know, they didn't have slaves from Nigeria, Gabon or elsewhere in the Ukraine or Ireland, so I doubt that slavery was much to the benefit of my family.

Slavery is a bad thing. You can say what you want about states rights or the positive aspects of the confederacy, but slavery was a stain on this nation and if we don't recognize it as such, then I don't think we think about human beings in quite the same way. Do you or I have to apologize for it? No. But there are a whole bunch of folks who are racist in this country that still represent a stain on us, the champions of individual freedom for all. I despise those folks. I don't apologize for them either, but I wish their families has practiced more stringent birth control.

As to Bernie, he is a decent man. What is an American socialist? I don't know. There are some here who think of him only with contempt. I'd say that you probably don't understand him. Sure, you can quote him or read the opinions of others who attack him. But, he's a decent guy. There are not many of those in Congress.

I've said before that we each get a vote. Mine will never go to Hillary. Perhaps Webb will come along. Perhaps not. If not, I'd rather see Bernie even though I disagree with him on many issues. Why? Because he's a decent man.

Get it?

Freudian slip. You list your only options as to vote Dem. Why no love for Libertarian candidates?

 

[cce1302]

A couple of things. My father's folks came to the US before the Russian Revolution. My mom's faught in the civil war for the north; they were Canadian and got citizenship as a result of participating in the war. As far as I know, they didn't have slaves from Nigeria, Gabon or elsewhere in the Ukraine or Ireland, so I doubt that slavery was much to the benefit of my family.

Slavery is a bad thing. You can say what you want about states rights or the positive aspects of the confederacy, but slavery was a stain on this nation and if we don't recognize it as such, then I don't think we think about human beings in quite the same way. Do you or I have to apologize for it? No. But there are a whole bunch of folks who are racist in this country that still represent a stain on us, the champions of individual freedom for all. I despise those folks. I don't apologize for them either, but I wish their families has practiced more stringent birth control.

As to Bernie, he is a decent man. What is an American socialist? I don't know. There are some here who think of him only with contempt. I'd say that you probably don't understand him. Sure, you can quote him or read the opinions of others who attack him. But, he's a decent guy. There are not many of those in Congress.

I've said before that we each get a vote. Mine will never go to Hillary. Perhaps Webb will come along. Perhaps not. If not, I'd rather see Bernie even though I disagree with him on many issues. Why? Because he's a decent man.

Get it?

How do you know enough about Sanders to declare him "a decent man" yet don't even know what an American Socialist is?

 

[Kutnupe14]

The reservations are sovereign tribal territory, ceded to them in treaties between what were considered to be sovereign nations. Be careful what you wish for. I have encountered any number of people in the world at large who would (at least they profess) gladly force march african-americans to some land of marginal value and set up a reservation for them.


ETA: I'm not aware of anyone having considered african-americans as a sovereign nation within our nation, hence no treaties.

Sovereign like how? Does US law not apply there? Is the reservation self run, only burdening the taxpayers that live there?

 

[BugI02]

Think about it, Kut. Why were the first casinos outside of vegas on tribal land? Local laws don't apply, and not that many federal ones. You can smoke anywhere in any native american casino I've been in. Many reservations have their own tribal police and they truly decide what happens if you break reservation law. I am aware of a case in AZ where peeps were breaking tribal law by collecting petrified wood on tribal land. The tourists got 30 days in the tribal jail (later reduced to time served via outside lobbying by the state - 9 days IIRC) and they impounded the rental car they were driving. They also paid large fines.

 

[BugI02]

Tribal Sovereignty

 

[cobber]

Why was there a collective apology/payout, to Japanese internment camp prisoners? Why does the federal govt still support Indian reservations? I've never killed an Indian, and my parents weren't even alive during the war. Why are we subject to past ill behavior?

The various tribes that became modern European nations never compensated the peoples they displaced, exterminated, assimilated. Ditto the Russians, or Chinese, or any expansionist/imperialistic nation. Soviets used to pay lip service to minorities, as long as they could control them. Ditto the Chinese although Xinjiang and Tibet are problematic.

But the US is such a horrible nasty country...

 

[churchmouse]

I for 1 am getting pretty tired of all the USA bashing.

 

[Alpo]

Freudian slip. You list your only options as to vote Dem. Why no love for Libertarian candidates?

The field hasn't really settled yet. I don't know if we'll see any libertarians on the primary ballots. Perhaps.

 

[Alpo]

How do you know enough about Sanders to declare him "a decent man" yet don't even know what an American Socialist is?

The finer points of the language exist here. One can understand the man without understanding the definition of a separate word.