Sanders: 'We have got to apologize for slavery

[Woobie]

here's to indiucky

Best I could do

 

[Alpo]

You guys aren't going to get Alpo to budge on inheritance tax. Because, 1) the dead rich guy should have donated it to social causes 2) it's not going to affect Alpo 3) **** the farmers, their incidental impact isn't high enough NOT to confiscate 20% of their land.

1 in 700. That's the number of people that pay inheritance taxes.

First of all, I do not think you are THE ONE. So, I don't consider it worth arguing. It's a fraction of the 1% and I stand on the theory that the USA has never condoned royalty.

As to the farmers, the latest number I've seen from the CBO show that more than 95% of all family-owned farms are valued at less that 5,000,000 in tax basis. Farmers lose more money to lawyers and divorce than any other cause.

 

[Alpo]

That's one of the reasons I don't bother debating people who are already wrong.

Heh.

Stick with physics Rhino. You're a whiz there.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/ten-facts-you-should-know-about-the-federal-estate-tax

 

[BugI02]

I have the solution to this whole non-problem.

Here's what we do: sub-contract the guilt, shame, apologies, and reparations to the government and people of Japan. They love doing business and they do shame and apologies on an epic level the likes of which we could never hope to approach. For a little cash, we get the job done by real professionals.

Boom.

You're welcome.

Are you familiar with the euphemism 'apologize to the emperor'? Yellow is their color of mourning. In the old days if you displeased the emperor, he would send a messenger to you with a yellow scarf. The message was 'sorry to hear about your untimely death'. You would arrange for a second, write your death poem, and commit the ritual cuts. Apology accepted!

 

[steveh_131]

It's a fraction of the 1% and I stand on the theory that the USA has never condoned royalty.

Wanting to pass an inheritance to your children is qualified as 'royalty'?

 

[jamil]

1 in 700. That's the number of people that pay inheritance taxes.

First of all, I do not think you are THE ONE. So, I don't consider it worth arguing. It's a fraction of the 1% and I stand on the theory that the USA has never condoned royalty.

As to the farmers, the latest number I've seen from the CBO show that more than 95% of all family-owned farms are valued at less that 5,000,000 in tax basis. Farmers lose more money to lawyers and divorce than any other cause.

Because having no impact is EXACTLY the purpose for taxation.

So it's not so much what is gained in federal coffers from inheritance tax that you think is important. It's about punishing people for having wealth?

I'm not wealthy. And I don't subscribe to the idea that hey, it'll never affect me so that's okay. I don't believe in punitive taxation. I don't believe in taxation as a social engineering tool.

Tax should only ever be about raising money to fund the necessary function of government. We can argue about what that necessary function is, and what limits we should place on that, but I'll not ever concede that punitive tax is what a moral society does. If people became wealthy by ill gotten means, I think there's constitutional room to make rules that prevent that.

But you almost sound bitter about someone having so much more than you. If it is legitimately theirs, why do you care? It's not like they took all but a sliver of some finite pie and left you with a tiny little crumb. Make what you can and quit worrying about what everyone else does.

 

[Woobie]

1 in 700. That's the number of people that pay inheritance taxes.

First of all, I do not think you are THE ONE. So, I don't consider it worth arguing. It's a fraction of the 1% and I stand on the theory that the USA has never condoned royalty.

As to the farmers, the latest number I've seen from the CBO show that more than 95% of all family-owned farms are valued at less that 5,000,000 in tax basis. Farmers lose more money to lawyers and divorce than any other cause.

I didn't realize having money made you royalty. Huh. I learned something new on INGO today!

Good thing we're encouraging people to be successful and employ other people so those people can be more successful. Well, crap. Guess not. But hey! We can keep taking their money away and giving it to people who don't work at all.

If farms are losing money to those sources, then they at least have a choice in that. But for government to stand on your porch with gun in hand and extract your hard earned money, well, if I did that, I'd go to jail.

As far as the number of farms below 5,000,000 tax basis, that is different than net worth, and not neccessarily indicative of every type of taxes a farm is subject to paying. It also is skewed by the number of hobby farms and other people who are zoned agricultural for various other reasons.

 

[Woobie]

Because having no impact is EXACTLY the purpose for taxation.

So it's not so much what is gained in federal coffers from inheritance tax that you think is important. It's about punishing people for having wealth?

I'm not wealthy. And I don't subscribe to the idea that hey, it'll never affect me so that's okay. I don't believe in punitive taxation. I don't believe in taxation as a social engineering tool.

Tax should only ever be about raising money to fund the necessary function of government. We can argue about what that necessary function is, and what limits we should place on that, but I'll not ever concede that punitive tax is what a moral society does. If people became wealthy by ill gotten means, I think there's constitutional room to make rules that prevent that.

But you almost sound bitter about someone having so much more than you. If it is legitimately theirs, why do you care? It's not like they took all but a sliver of some finite pie and left you with a tiny little crumb. Make what you can and quit worrying about what everyone else does.

Dang rep nazis

 

[jamil]

Another thing. Making society moral is not the function of government.

 

[rhino]

Reminds me of an old saying about arguing with a certain group of people... they will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.

Like wrestling in the mud with a pig. You're not going to win and the pig likes it.
Or teaching a pig how to sing. It's not going to happen and the pig hates it.

Seems like it'd more frustrated your way.

Only if I believed there was merit in attempting rehabilitate lost causes. Socialist-statists never respond to logic or reason because they are practicing a religion. On rare occasions they learn they are in error on their own, but that usually the only way that ever gets fixed. David Horowitz is an example.

Are you familiar with the euphemism 'apologize to the emperor'? Yellow is their color of mourning. In the old days if you displeased the emperor, he would send a messenger to you with a yellow scarf. The message was 'sorry to hear about your untimely death'. You would arrange for a second, write your death poem, and commit the ritual cuts. Apology accepted!

See? PROFESSIONALS.

 

[Expat]

I guess we are entering a time where property rights have little if any meaning... you just have what the state will allow you to have and for only as long as it wills it.

 

[KG1]

Another thing. Making society moral is not the function of government.

You mean they can't have a morality tax?

 

[steveh_131]

I guess we are entering a time where property rights have little if any meaning... you just have what the state will allow you to have and for only as long as it wills it.

I think we've been there a while. You can't even 'own' a home without paying annual tribute to the king.

 

[Ericpwp]

$5.3 mil is the new $225,000 (5.3 mill's equivalent 100 years ago). All's they have to do the inflate. They'll get the same cut, just more of it. Ya gotta start small... ya see.

 

[rhino]

Another thing. Making society moral is not the function of government.

It's okay if the government enforces morality on your, but it's not okay to practice your own unless it's on the currently approved list.

I guess we are entering a time where property rights have little if any meaning... you just have what the state will allow you to have and for only as long as it wills it.

I think we entered that time a while back.

 

[jamil]

Only if I believed there was merit in attempting rehabilitate lost causes. Socialist-statists never respond to logic or reason because they are practicing a religion. On rare occasions they learn they are in error on their own, but that usually the only way that ever gets fixed. David Horowitz is an example.

I was talking about the other part of it. You said you don't bother debating people who are already wrong, which implies you debate people who are already right. That just sounds frustrating.

 

[HoughMade]

...But you almost sound bitter about someone having so much more than you. If it is legitimately theirs, why do you care? It's not like they took all but a sliver of some finite pie and left you with a tiny little crumb. Make what you can and quit worrying about what everyone else does.

Almost?

That's what some people believe. If someone else has more money that they think they should have, they stole it from someone else or owe the public at large or government or something.

 

[rhino]

I was talking about the other part of it. You said you don't bother debating people who are already wrong, which implies you debate people who are already right. That just sounds frustrating.

Oh! Well, debating someone who is already right is a moot.

Translation: I don't like to debate.

Almost?

That's what some people believe. If someone else has more money that they think they should have, they stole it from someone else or owe the public at large or government or something.

Which is simultaneously pathetic, un-American, and un-Christian. Envy, and that's what it is, is a sin.

 

[jamil]

Almost?

That's what some people believe. If someone else has more money that they think they should have, they stole it from someone else or owe the public at large or government or something.

And then claim that isn't "socialist"!

 

[Woobie]

Like wrestling in the mud with a pig. You're not going to win and the pig likes it.
Or teaching a pig how to sing. It's not going to happen and the pig hates it.

I disagree. I wrestled a pig in the mud on Sunday. Four actually. And I won, because they got in the trailer. And they did not like it, as it resulted in their deaths. In a few days I'll be picking up packages and packages of