Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[Hawkeye]

It's a proxy war which we have entered to enrich the military industrial complex. What could the US have done to prevent the invasion in the first place? Well, nothing if you want to make money.

What could the US have done to prevent the invasion? I'd liek to hear your take on this.

 

[KG1]

All this stuff we have sent, is worth it.
We are giving ole Putin and the Commuist Heathen Ruskies a massive headache that will last 20 years. Without putting US lives at risk.

Yeah maybe I am a child of the 80s that had to deal with the literal threat over my head of Ruskie missles landing here. But if the US doesn't support Ukraine, Russia will be a nasty threat to the west.

Here send these. Just get under them They can withstand a Russian nuclear missile attack.

 

[oze]

Here send these. Just get under them They can withstand a Russian nuclear missile attack.

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POTW!

 

[Super Bee]

I have seen countless stories like this. Ukraine is a huge market for selling children for harvesting their organs. Dont hear this from NBC Nightly News.

 

[erasure]

We Can No Longer Hide the Truth About the Russia-Ukraine War

It is unclear at this point whether Ukraine has enough striking power remaining in its offensive forces to reach, much less penetrate, Russia's second main line

www.newsweek.com

what? someone's been hiding the truth? whoa, mind blown

 

[Ark]

Ukraine's Transgender Military Spox Fired For 'Unapproved' Statements | ZeroHedge

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Looks like Ukraine has finally figured out that putting this Cluster B trans weirdo on TV to recite screeds about murdering journalists was a bad look.

 

[Shadow01]

We haven't "entered a war". we are supporting the unjustly invaded party, but we are not engaged in a war.

And Vietnam wasn’t a war…

 

[Route 45]

And Vietnam wasn’t a war…

Wow, we have 500,000 troops in Ukraine? Are they still trapped in Mariupol?

 

[Shadow01]

Wow, we have 500,000 troops in Ukraine? Are they still trapped in Mariupol?

Can you say definitively that we have zero troops in country? Is your government honest with you? Does it take 500k before we can say it’s a war? If not, how many does it take? Do you have a number?

 

[Route 45]

Can you say definitively that we have zero troops in country? Is your government honest with you? Does it take 500k before we can say it’s a war? If not, how many does it take? Do you have a number?

Make up whatever number you like. It’s your world. Maybe you can find the missing F35 in Kyiv.

 

[91FXRS]

Wow, we have 500,000 troops in Ukraine?

Not yet...

 

[Super Bee]

Can you say definitively that we have zero troops in country? Is your government honest with you? Does it take 500k before we can say it’s a war? If not, how many does it take? Do you have a number?

Without a doubt we have troops on the ground.

This last spring there was a leak saying we did have a small group of special forces on the ground. I can only imagine how many we have now.

 

[BugI02]

Are you denying the fact that we adopted a Europe first strategy in WW2? Because no historian worth his salt would agree with you. The Doolittle raid was done for morale purposes and served very little military purpose. Embarrassing to the Japanese, but little strategic impact.

Historians need to watch their blood pressure with all that salt

Battle of the Coral Sea, May 1942. Allies blunt a major Japanese offensive

Battle of Midway, June 1942. Major carrier battle, four Japanese carriers were sunk (the Akagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu - all carriers that had taken part in the attack on Pearl). The Japanese Imperial fleet never recovered from this defeat

Guadalcanal, August 1942, the beginning of the island hopping campaign to bring the war to the Japanese homeland

Operation Torch, November 1942, first US combat with German troops as part of an allied operation against North Africa

First landing on actual European territory was Sicily in 1943. Most of what we were doing against Germany before then revolved around material supplies to the allies, support for the resistance and daylight bombing of military targets in axis Europe

That would appear to be a Europe last strategy, actually

 

[actaeon277]

Historians need to watch their blood pressure with all that salt

Battle of the Coral Sea, May 1942. Allies blunt a major Japanese offensive

Battle of Midway, June 1942. Major carrier battle, four Japanese carriers were sunk (the Ahagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu - all carriers that had taken part in the attack on Pearl). The Japanese Imperial fleet never recovered from this defeat

Guadalcanal, August 1942, the beginning of the island hopping campaign to bring the war to the Japanese homeland

Operation Torch, November 1942, first US combat with German troops as part of an allied operation against North Africa

First landing on actual European territory was Sicily in 1943. Most of what we were doing against Germany before then revolved around material supplies to the allies, support for the resistance and daylight bombing of military targets in axis Europe

That would appear to be a Europe last strategy, actually

All done with most of the assets already available to them.
And the navy roams the seas.
It's what they do.
Pacific is a lot oceanier than Europe is.

 

[Hawkeye]

Historians need to watch their blood pressure with all that salt

Battle of the Coral Sea, May 1942. Allies blunt a major Japanese offensive

Battle of Midway, June 1942. Major carrier battle, four Japanese carriers were sunk (the Akagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu - all carriers that had taken part in the attack on Pearl). The Japanese Imperial fleet never recovered from this defeat

Guadalcanal, August 1942, the beginning of the island hopping campaign to bring the war to the Japanese homeland

Operation Torch, November 1942, first US combat with German troops as part of an allied operation against North Africa

First landing on actual European territory was Sicily in 1943. Most of what we were doing against Germany before then revolved around material supplies to the allies, support for the resistance and daylight bombing of military targets in axis Europe

That would appear to be a Europe last strategy, actually

Denial is a river in Africa. Teh Eupope Frist strategy is well documented. It doesn't mean we did not fight any battles in hte Pacific and did not try to limit Japan's gains. But without doubt we did not commit the majority of our war effort to the Pacific in 1942, 1943 or 1944.

 

[actaeon277]

Destroyers and Cruisers either operate in small groups, or in a massive fleet as scouts and screening elements.
With no battleships, lines of battle are not gonna happen.

What do you have left?
4 carriers. (or was it 3)
great. you can screen the carriers.
but you're afraid of losing most of the "big boys" you have left.
And big boys take FOREVER to build.
But that's where you get those first battles talked about.

So what's left?
And they don't work well as a 'line of battle'
They're more like sniper/scouts operating behind the line in army units

 

[smokingman]

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine | ZeroHedge

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"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine | ZeroHedge

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"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

Despite the Polish jokes that used to be popular, it seems like Poland might be the smartest one in the room.

 

[oze]

Denial is a river in Africa. Teh Eupope Frist strategy is well documented. It doesn't mean we did not fight any battles in hte Pacific and did not try to limit Japan's gains. But without doubt we did not commit the majority of our war effort to the Pacific in 1942, 1943 or 1944.

All true. Europe First was the policy of America since the beginning of our entering the war.If nothing else, consider the number of ground troops committed to the ETO vs the PTO. Lots of sources. Here's one:

Germany First

history.army.mil

The urgency of The Manhattan Project to build atomic weapons (and the development of the B-29 to deliver them) was to beat the Germans to the punch, so to speak. Now, once Germany was defeated, work to implement the amphibious invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, Operation Downfall began in earnest. Declassified Japanese and pessimistic American casualty estimates were 20,000,000. Mostly Japanese civilians, of course. I figure, though, that my dad, who turned 18 in 1946, would have been one of the dead on the Tokyo plain.

 

[Ark]

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine | ZeroHedge

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"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

Nobody actually believes Russian tanks are going to roll into Poland. They're just reading the wind.