Romney chooses Ryan

[hacksawfg]

Exactly!! I hope that all the folks who won't vote for Romney, or will write in Mickey Mouse, or whatever give serious thought to what their decision can leave us with. I'm no medic, but I know that the first step is to stop the bleeding.

OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

The two candidates have raised 450 million dollars for this election! On the one hand, you have a socialist in office who is beholden to big labor, is against personal liberty and the Second Amendment (actually, I'm pretty sure he doesn't really respect any of them), and thinks it's the governments job to force people to buy healthcare, provide welfare, etc.

On the other hand, you have a "Republican" who also has ideas for government mandated healthcare, who SAYS he's for personal liberty but wants to let the government have a say in what I can watch in the privacy of my house, who can get married, etc. He has changed his positions several times to gain "electability".

So yeah, I'm voting for Gary Johnson, because I KNOW what it can leave us with, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't make a bit of difference which one of these two clowns in office, nothing is going to change if people don't make a stand and vote for liberty and freedom instead of the lesser of two evils. Besides, it's not an election anymore, it's an auction.

 

[Bapak2ja]

So you know that we are going to get one or the other. The third party option is still out there a long ways away. So why waste your vote and take a chance that we en up with Illegal / Ignorant?

I will stand on the principle because I hope to be part of the new movement that saves the republic. There is no future for the republic with either of the current two parties. We cannot root out the rot-gut evil in the Republican Party. Goldwater and Reagan were simply blips in the process. Reagan was replaced with George !, and the RINOs resumed their march to our current oligarchy.

If we continue to vote Republican, they will not change. Why should they change? We keep on believing their lies and putting them in office!

 

[Bapak2ja]

OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

The two candidates have raised 450 million dollars for this election! On the one hand, you have a socialist in office who is beholden to big labor, is against personal liberty and the Second Amendment (actually, I'm pretty sure he doesn't really respect any of them), and thinks it's the governments job to force people to buy healthcare, provide welfare, etc.

On the other hand, you have a "Republican" who also has ideas for government mandated healthcare, who SAYS he's for personal liberty but wants to let the government have a say in what I can watch in the privacy of my house, who can get married, etc. He has changed his positions several times to gain "electability".

So yeah, I'm voting for Gary Johnson, because I KNOW what it can leave us with. It doesn't make a bit of difference which one of these two clowns in office, nothing is going to change if people don't make a stand and vote for liberty and freedom instead of the lesser of two evils. Besides, it's not an election anymore, it's an auction.

Well said.

 

[hornadylnl]

I see the anarchist wing has been weighing on the choice while I was out. No big surprises from them.

And the statist wing has weighed in with the ABO mantra.

 

[cobber]

Is this the same Paul Ryan that voted to relinquish the role of advise and consent for the senate to the president?

S 679 | U.S. Congress Votes Database - The Washington PostThe Washington Post

Art. 2 Sec. 2 para. 2.

Next we'll be hearing 2+2=5?

 

[hornadylnl]

Art. 2 Sec. 2 para. 2.

Next we'll be hearing 2+2=5?

And congress punted a constitutional responsibility so they can have more time for unconstitutional garbage. If they stuck to their constitutional duties, they'd have plenty of time to confirm nominees.

 

[WC Deer Hunter]

It takes more than one or two election cycles to rid the GOP of the RINOs. Anyone who can't see the GOP changing isn't paying attention.

This election sees our great nation at a crossroads. We can continue to be even more a european socialist nation, adding millions more of our fellow countrymen to the soul sucking roles of the non-productive government dependency crowd.

On the other hand, we can vote for the best choice we are offered that can actually win. Even if that is not our ideal choice, it is still better than the alternative incumbent.

We have made great strides in weeding out the RINO herd. They are paying attention. They hear our footsteps coming for them. We must remain diligent.

Romney is but one step in our journey toward reclaiming our nation.

 

[hornadylnl]

It takes more than one or two election cycles to rid the GOP of the RINOs. Anyone who can't see the GOP changing isn't paying attention.

This election sees our great nation at a crossroads. We can continue to be even more a european socialist nation, adding millions more of our fellow countrymen to the soul sucking roles of the non-productive government dependency crowd.

On the other hand, we can vote for the best choice we are offered that can actually win. Even if that is not our ideal choice, it is still better than the alternative incumbent.

We have made great strides in weeding out the RINO herd. They are paying attention. They hear our footsteps coming for them. We must remain diligent.

Romney is but one step in our journey toward reclaiming our nation.

How many election cycles does it take?

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

There's definitely a trend here and it's not a good one for the republican party.

 

[hacksawfg]

How many election cycles does it take?

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

There's definitely a trend here and it's not a good one for the republican party.

Agreed 100%, as long as people keep voting based on electability instead of the issues, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. People can tell me I'm wasting my vote by voting for Johnson, but I at least be able to sleep at night knowing I didn't vote for a candidate selected for his photogenic quality or his connections and financial backing, just because he might win the auction (er, election, this damn mental spellchecker is messing me up ).

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

How many election cycles does it take?

Reagan
Bush Sr.
Dole
Bush Jr.
McCain
Romney

There's definitely a trend here and it's not a good one for the republican party.

Reagan? Really?

I guess that you have missed the steady stream of establishment republicans being tossed out in the last 2 elections and the primaries this year. If you want to throw away your chance to halt the slide into socialism so be it.

 

[hacksawfg]

Reagan? Really?

I guess that you have missed the steady stream of establishment republicans being tossed out in the last 2 elections and the primaries this year. If you want to throw away your chance to halt the slide into socialism so be it.

You're absolutely right, I guess when provided with the choice between two candidates who support the Patriot Act and government mandated healthcare, who want to have the federal government to have a say in how Americans conduct their lives (involving themselves in gay marriage, abortion, whether you watch "objectionable" material, smoke marijuana*, etc.), who will spend money we don't have in countries where we don't need to be, I should vote for the one who's not a socialist because he's somehow better. That's how things improve, right?

HELL NO. I vote for liberty and freedom.

* I never have and never will smoke marijuana, but I'm pretty sure there's better uses for our prison space than marijuana users.

 

[hornadylnl]

Reagan? Really?

I guess that you have missed the steady stream of establishment republicans being tossed out in the last 2 elections and the primaries this year. If you want to throw away your chance to halt the slide into socialism so be it.

I put Reagan in that list to show the downward slide in Conservatism of the last 6 Republican nominees. Each successive nominee has been more socialist and statist than the previous one. Yet we're to believe that the socialists and statists are being rooted out of the Republican party?

You do know that 38 tea party endorsed representatives punted the advise and consent authority to the president, right?

 

[jamil]

Did anyone think the "all or nothing" crowd would be happy? Now they have another reason to go on being unhappy with nothing.

And all this time I thought Obama was the prime example of an ideologue. Sheeze......

Yep, a frustrating life they have in front of them.

 

[theweakerbrother]

I still think Reagan was awful example of a Constitutional president. We're on a gun forum and people are defending the once-actor-turned-democrat-turned-republican who voted for more gun control than most presidents have/do. People change but they rarely change when they are 51... which is how old he was when he decided to switch from the Democrat to the Republican party.

So, allow me to pre-emptive combat the usual criticisms people have for my criticisms of Reagan.

But let me guess... I can't fairly critique him because I don't know what it was like because I'm not "old enough" as I wasn't an adult during the presidency. Arguing from experience is sometimes helpful but I know it is a bad idea to eat even if I've never done it before.

What we need is another Calvin Coolidge. I'm not joking.

 

[Project972]

Maine is seating Ron Paul delegates to the convention, led by the govenor. That ought to be interesting.

 

[buckstopshere]

Yep, a frustrating life they have in front of them.

Nope. My life is amazing, way better than I deserve. I have 1 vote and I'm giving it to Johnson. Most libertarians I know are laid back and don't tell others what to do with their lives which is much different than my die hard liberal friends and die hard republican (I can't even bring myself to call them conservatives) friends. In fact, they're the ones red faced and frustrated on the daily.

As far as Ryan for veep, meh, I couldn't care less.

 

[buckstopshere]

Whoa! We are getting way too far ahead with evaluating his ability to contribute to the administration after they are elected. VP's are rather impotent in that respect.

His contribution to the ticket and the battle to win is his invaluable contribution.

I ask the naysayers ..... If not Ryan, then who? Bashing a choice is ridiculous unless an alternative is forwarded with a credible argument.

If the genesis of the disdain is the oft repeated "The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling", it's time to shut up. The Paulbots especially, need to give it a rest.

Why? What makes you so special that you may have a voice but those of us who are Ron Paul fans need to either shut up or give it a rest? As you know, that will never happen. So, just as I won't ask you to STFU, I expect the same.

As for the naysayers, who cares what we think? We don't like Romney so his choice for VP certainly is going to change our minds.

 

[Yup!]

I have a 1/4"-20 bolt with a 7/16" hex head (tyrannical government) that I need to remove. If the only tools I have in my toolbox are a phillips and flat tip screwdrivers (Obama and Romney), I have to resign myself that the bolt won't be removed or I'll have to find the proper tool.

Well if the 1/4"-20 bolt with a 7/16" hex head is screwed into your deck, sure, you can let it sit there until you find the proper tool.

If it's lodged into your eye, thus causing you pain, waiting for the right tool is not the option you would choose and you know it.

As I've said over and over, it's your vote, your right to choose, and I have no intention of asking you to do anything but vote for what you believe is right.

 

[hornadylnl]

Nope. My life is amazing, way better than I deserve. I have 1 vote and I'm giving it to Johnson. Most libertarians I know are laid back and don't tell others what to do with their lives which is much different than my die hard liberal friends and die hard republican (I can't even bring myself to call them conservatives) friends. In fact, they're the ones red faced and frustrated on the daily.

As far as Ryan for veep, meh, I couldn't care less.

Why? What makes you so special that you may have a voice but those of us who are Ron Paul fans need to either shut up or give it a rest? As you know, that will never happen. So, just as I won't ask you to STFU, I expect the same.

As for the naysayers, who cares what we think? We don't like Romney so his choice for VP certainly is going to change our minds.

It's amazing how much less political stress I suffer since I gave up on the 2 party system. I put all of my energy into a republican candidate only to watch them out democrat the democrats and what will I have to show for it? More frustration and loss of liberty. No sense in getting an ulcer by believing I can change something when I clearly cannot.

 

[hornadylnl]

Well if the 1/4"-20 bolt with a 7/16" hex head is screwed into your deck, sure, you can let it sit there until you find the proper tool.

If it's lodged into your eye, thus causing you pain, waiting for the right tool is not the option you would choose and you know it.

As I've said over and over, it's your vote, your right to choose, and I have no intention of asking you to do anything but vote for what you believe is right.

Romney and Obama can't remove that bolt from my deck or my eye.