Really Afraid of Trump Situation

[Destro]

There are exactly two ways to gain citizenship. By birth, or by the process of naturalization. Cruz never went through naturalization. Therefore, if he is not a citizen by birth, he's not a citizen at all. I think you and the other birthers should posse up and send his ass back to Ca-NAH-dah. Post a selfie to INGO when it's done.

Customs and immigration lists 3 ways…you might want to let them know of their mistake. One, being a“natural born” citizen, 2, Acquiring citizenship (their term, not mine) via a particular, specific, yet ever changing set of circumstances regarding family members, and last is naturalization. Cruz acquired citizenship since he wasn’t born here.

I like Cruz and think he would make a pretty good president. His story is humbling and inspiring. Too bad he wasn’t born on US soil. The pesky constitution strikes again.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Customs and immigration lists 3 ways…you might want to let them know of their mistake. One, being a“natural born” citizen, 2, Acquiring citizenship (their term, not mine) via a particular, specific, yet ever changing set of circumstances regarding family members, and last is naturalization. Cruz acquired citizenship since he wasn’t born here.

I like Cruz and think he would make a pretty good president. His story is humbling and inspiring. Too bad he wasn’t born on US soil. The pesky constitution strikes again.

Yep they do list 3 ways, citizen at birth , naturalization, and “derived” or “acquired” citizenship through parents . The last applies to people who were not citizens at birth but are under age of 18. Cruz was a citizen at birth even though born abroad.

To be a citizen at birth, this is the requirements. Cruz meets the second one.
https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

To become a citizen at birth, you must:

• Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
• had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements

Below is what derived or acquired citizenship through parents consists of. None of which apply to Cruz.

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-parents

Automatic U.S. Citizenship After Birth - But Before the Age of 18

A Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen after Birth IF…	AND...
The child was under 18 or not yet born on February 27, 2001	At least one parent is a U.S. citizen, the child is currently under 18 and residing in the U.S. in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent pursuant to lawful admission for permanent residence.
The child was under 18 from December 24, 1952 to February 26, 2001	The child was residing as a Green Card holder in the U.S. and both parents naturalized before the child’s 18[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday; OR If one parent died, that the surviving parent naturalized before the child turned 18. If the parents legally separated, that the parent maintaining legal and physical custody naturalized before the child turned 18. If the child was born out of wedlock and paternity has not been established by legitimation, the mother naturalized before the child turned 18. NOTE: The order in which the child meets the conditions does not matter so long as the child meets all the conditions before his or her 18[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday.
The child was adopted by a U.S. citizen parent	The child resides legally in the U.S. in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent and meets the following conditions after February 27, 2001 but before his or her 18[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday: The adoptive parent adopted the child before his or her 16[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday (or, in some cases, 18[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday) and had legal custody of the child and resided with the child for at least two years; OR The child was admitted to the United States as an orphan (IR-3) or Convention adoptee (IH-3) whose adoption by his or her U.S. citizen parent(s) was fully completed abroad; OR The child was admitted to the United States as an orphan (IR-4) or Convention adoptee (IH-4) who was coming to the United States to be adopted and the child's adoptive parent(s) completed the adoption before his or her 18[SUP]th[/SUP] birthday.

 

[GREEN607]

Customs and immigration lists 3 ways…you might want to let them know of their mistake. One, being a“natural born” citizen, 2, Acquiring citizenship (their term, not mine) via a particular, specific, yet ever changing set of circumstances regarding family members, and last is naturalization. Cruz acquired citizenship since he wasn’t born here.

I like Cruz and think he would make a pretty good president. His story is humbling and inspiring. Too bad he wasn’t born on US soil. The pesky constitution strikes again.

Let me help you out here, and maybe we can settle this 'question' and put it to bed.

Cruz's mother was/is a U.S. citizen. She gave birth to Ted, in Canada. BUT, her loins are the U.S. soil onto which he was born. Therefore, he has always been a U.S. citizen....

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Let me help you out here, and maybe we can settle this 'question' and put it to bed.

Cruz's mother was/is a U.S. citizen. She gave birth to Ted, in Canada. BUT, her loins are the U.S. soil onto which he was born. Therefore, he has always been a U.S. citizen....

It's not that cut and dried, but Cruz's mother met all the requirements to pass on "natural born" citizenship to her son. The requirements have varied throughout the years. For example in 1790 the first Congress under the Constitution passed a law that stated

SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.

naturalization laws 1790-1795

Which passed on citizenship at birth/birthright/natural born status only to children born abroad of a male citizen, female citizens could not pass on birthright citizenship unless the father had also been a resident of the US, which the courts have construed to mean citizen. Women could pass on citizenship starting in 1934. There have been various changes throughout the years.

 

[GREEN607]

It's not that cut and dried, but Cruz's mother met all the requirements to pass on "natural born" citizenship to her son. The requirements have varied throughout the years. For example in 1790 the first Congress under the Constitution passed a law that stated

naturalization laws 1790-1795

Which passed on citizenship at birth/birthright/natural born status only to children born abroad of a male citizen, female citizens could not pass on birthright citizenship unless the father had also been a resident of the US, which the courts have construed to mean citizen. Women could pass on citizenship starting in 1934. There have been various changes throughout the years.

Yes. I am aware of all of that. But, Cruz was born in 1970, so his mother passed on "citizenship" to him, under the law. THAT is what I was saying.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yes. I am aware of all of that. But, Cruz was born in 1970, so his mother passed on "citizenship" to him, under the law. THAT is what I was saying.

Which is why I said his mother met all the requirements.

 

[AtTheMurph]

Trump is the only "Republican" who can win the general election. That is why both sides of the aisle, the media and the entrenched money are so against him.

They believe he must be destroyed.

 

[MisterChester]

Trump is the only "Republican" who can win the general election. That is why both sides of the aisle, the media and the entrenched money are so against him.

They believe he must be destroyed.

Republicans have learned that if we keep a democrat as president they can continue to shift blame on them for the country's problems, so that keeps congress stuffed with republicans. At least that's my theory.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Trump is the only "Republican" who can win the general election. That is why both sides of the aisle, the media and the entrenched money are so against him.

And you think this why? Per the polls, he has the worst chance of the 3 currently running.
RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest 2016 Presidential General Election Polls

 

[Destro]

Let me help you out here, and maybe we can settle this 'question' and put it to bed.

Cruz's mother was/is a U.S. citizen. She gave birth to Ted, in Canada. BUT, her loins are the U.S. soil onto which he was born. Therefore, he has always been a U.S. citizen....

But he wasn't born here....which , along with legal minds, believe that is the requirement. A question of citizenship | Harvard Gazette

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And you think this why? Per the polls, he has the worst chance of the 3 currently running.
RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest 2016 Presidential General Election Polls

The republican primary has been so contentious and down right despicable. The democrat primary on the other hand has been a picnic in comparison. All of the republicans have been diminished by these events while the democrats have not. Once, the R v D campaign begins in earnest, I suspect those numbers will shift wildly. Hillary is such a sorry candidate that she's even got a #neverHillary cabal similar to Trump.

It's still early yet...we'll see.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

But he wasn't born here....which , along with legal minds, believe that is the requirement. A question of citizenship | Harvard Gazette

Yep some legal minds disagree, although the one that is arguing against Cruz being a natural born citizen is partially wrong in at least one instance.

"Under English common law, upon which U.S. law was based, a “natural born citizen” would be someone born on American soil. For Tribe, according to this definition, Cruz does not qualify."

English common law preceding the writing of the US Constitution recognized both Jus Soli and Jus sanguinis. Per Blackstone "all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain." That is a cleaned up quote, the original is in old English. He was discussing how English common law had changed by statute, originally children born abroad were not considered natural born citizens (unless they were children of the King's ambassadors), then was changed to include children born of two English subjects, then just to one. So he was partially correct that at one point in time English common law did not generally recognize Jus sanguinis, he is wrong in that prior to the Constitution being written English common law did not.
Avalon Project - Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England - Book the First : Chapter the Tenth : Of People, Whether Aliens, Denizens or Natives

So Cruz would be considered a Natural born citizen.

The republican primary has been so contentious and down right despicable. The democrat primary on the other hand has been a picnic in comparison. All of the republicans have been diminished by these events while the democrats have not. Once, the R v D campaign begins in earnest, I suspect those numbers will shift wildly. Hillary is such a sorry candidate that she's even got a #neverHillary cabal similar to Trump.

It's still early yet...we'll see.

How many of the neverHillary crowd are D vs how many of the neverTrump crowd are R? But yes it is early, and yes I expect the numbers to shift. But probably not to the degree you think, and perhaps not in the way you think they will.

 

[renauldo]

Unless a Giant Crap Eater swoops down from the sky and eats Hillary, she will be the next president. That is of course assuming the Crap Eater can digest that vile morsel. The fact Obumma was elected for a second term proves the Democratic strategies of the end justifies the means are working. There are too many socialists that think they're on quest for a Utopian society. Combine them with 1000 or so fractured "special interest" groups that actually despise each other but are willing to unite on election day to insure their ability to remain on the dole and Hillary or (God forgive) Bernie is in.
Those of you old enough to remember, think about how during Bill's first term Hillary tried to establish herself as "Queen of the White House" and started a campaign to reform the countries medical care system. There's not much left for her to screw with except 2nd Amendment rights. Obama has cleared most of the liberal agenda. How women in this country can stand behind her after Bill humiliated her world wide defies logic. With her at the helm and muslim radicals who think women are crap her credibility will be zero. I fear for our future.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Unless a Giant Crap Eater swoops down from the sky and eats Hillary, she will be the next president. That is of course assuming the Crap Eater can digest that vile morsel. The fact Obumma was elected for a second term proves the Democratic strategies of the end justifies the means are working. There are too many socialists that think they're on quest for a Utopian society. Combine them with 1000 or so fractured "special interest" groups that actually despise each other but are willing to unite on election day to insure their ability to remain on the dole and Hillary or (God forgive) Bernie is in.
Those of you old enough to remember, think about how during Bill's first term Hillary tried to establish herself as "Queen of the White House" and started a campaign to reform the countries medical care system. There's not much left for her to screw with except 2nd Amendment rights. Obama has cleared most of the liberal agenda. How women in this country can stand behind her after Bill humiliated her world wide defies logic. With her at the helm and muslim radicals who think women are crap her credibility will be zero. I fear for our future.

I've wondered about this too. I've actually wondered if Hilary actually knew, and either condoned or accepted it. Its not like she can tell the nation "we have an open marriage."

 

[bigbore]

How women in this country can stand behind her after Bill humiliated her world wide defies logic.

Liberals have been defying logic for a very long time. Trump is too bombastic and doesn't think before blurting things out (part of his appeal to some). Cruz is associated too much with the religious right who have not been very good for republicans especially if you are fiscally conservative.
I think it will likely be Hillary and that is just awful. I think she will not be indicted and the statute of limitations will run out- she will be free and clear.

 

[amboy49]

I've wondered about this too. I've actually wondered if Hilary actually knew, and either condoned or accepted it. Its not like she can tell the nation "we have an open marriage."

Kut,

I can't believe that you have any doubt about the relationship that Bill and Hillary have. I am convinced she made a deal with the devil a long time ago. Of the two, she is the more power hungry and strives to promote the more liberal agenda. I think Bill just looked at the presidency as an elated way to party on the public's dime. I think Hillary actually pulled the strings during the whole of his administration. If you checked their pockets I bet you'd find the testicles in her possession !

Their checkered past has always fascinated me. They have escaped prosecution on more issues than can practically be counted as a result, I believe, of public complacency and political blackmail.

 

[miguel]

Kut,

I can't believe that you have any doubt about the relationship that Bill and Hillary have. I am convinced she made a deal with the devil a long time ago. Of the two, she is the more power hungry and strives to promote the more liberal agenda. I think Bill just looked at the presidency as an elated way to party on the public's dime. I think Hillary actually pulled the strings during the whole of his administration. If you checked their pockets I bet you'd find the testicles in her possession !

Their checkered past has always fascinated me. They have escaped prosecution on more issues than can practically be counted as a result, I believe, of public complacency and political blackmail.

I'd damn near vote for Bill if he'd promise to divorce the *****.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

How women in this country can stand behind her after Bill humiliated her world wide defies logic. With her at the helm and muslim radicals who think women are crap her credibility will be zero. I fear for our future.

Hell with how Bill humiliated her, how can they stand behind her when she went after the women when they came out with what happened.

I've wondered about this too. I've actually wondered if Hilary actually knew, and either condoned or accepted it. Its not like she can tell the nation "we have an open marriage."

It wouldn't surprise me one bit. Heck she probably got more women than Bill did, or perhaps some men from behind.

 

[miguel]

Someone should call Hillary and tell her to be pro-gun. Then we could all vote for her, let her and Huma have a roll in the Lincoln bedroom and not have to go through this **** again in 2020 or 2024...

 

[Mark 1911]

The republican primary has been so contentious and down right despicable. The democrat primary on the other hand has been a picnic in comparison. All of the republicans have been diminished by these events while the democrats have not. Once, the R v D campaign begins in earnest, I suspect those numbers will shift wildly. Hillary is such a sorry candidate that she's even got a #neverHillary cabal similar to Trump.

It's still early yet...we'll see.

If the Republicans could learn one thing from the Democrats, at least before the current Democratic primary, it would be to refrain from backbiting in the public campaigns and debates. I believe this is what won the election for the Democrats, at least was a significant factor in 2008 and 2012, i.e. the Republicans infighting. Now Hillary and Bernie have gone at it with bare fists themselves lately, but the Republicans sure have not learned their lesson, to put it mildly. It's a sad reflection on the Republican party, maybe a sad reflection on America, that this is the best we can pull out of the "pool" to represent us. Very sad indeed. But I'm still voting against Hillary, even Trump would be better than that.