Police shoot unarmed suspects 137 times after pursuit in East Cleveland; 2 dead

[HoughMade]

Look, we get it. Your side hates Constitutional Rights and Liberty. How you stand on Constitutional Rights depends on who is being accused of what. That's how you guys do it.

All I am asking is that you drop the mask and let us see your fascism.

Everyone has constitutional rights--Ron Paul, Pot heads/Ron Paul voters, and . . . the police. To say that people can exercise Constitutional rights with "impure" motives is just more of the 8th grade solipsism that we see.

Yeah, but I need to know the reason for exercising a Constitutional right before I endorse it as proper.

Can I be an INGOtarian now?

How about if I decry the "Blue Wall of Silence" while donning my brown shirt? Can I play then?

 

[indiucky]

How about if I decry the "Blue Wall of Silence" while donning my brown shirt? Can I play then?

Only if you can sport a coif like this fellow right here...

 

[indiucky]

One would think they'd be eager to root out the bad apples from their ranks.

I believe (but I am not certain)that that is how the INGOtarian Party was formed......

 

[HoughMade]

Only if you can sport a coif like this fellow right here...

I have SPECTACULAR hair (although brown)....and blue eyes.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Can I be an INGOtarian now?

You certainly hate Liberty, so, yes.

 

[D-Ric902]

What would happen to a prole called to the stand in a case where someone else was accused of crimes against a police officer and they took the fifth?

Offer of immunity, I'd imagine, just like the officers in question.

What if that prole then continued to refuse to testify, even when there was zero possibility that any court in the land could entertain charges against them for anything arising out of anything he said on the stand?

I'd imagine an immediate charge of contempt of court and quote possibly an obstruction of justice charge on top of that.

Call me when any police officer who has actually been offered immunity and still refuses to testify is even threatened with contempt or obstruction charges. Until then, this is just same-ol' same-ol' with a side of code of silence for the biggest, best equipped street gang on the streets.

I don't think that an offer of immunity negates your fifth amendment rights.
If I still don't want to testify due to my own reasons (repercussions or reprisals) then immunity does not compel me to testify

 

[Fargo]

I don't think that an offer of immunity negates your fifth amendment rights.
If I still don't want to testify due to my own reasons (repercussions or reprisals) then immunity does not compel me to testify

Which 5th amendment right(s) are you specifically talking about?

 

[D-Ric902]

Which 5th amendment right(s) are you specifically talking about?

Cathy seems to think that if the officers are offered immunity but still won't testify then they could be charged with obstruction or contempt. (Like I quoted) attempting to return to the topic.

What would happen to a prole called to the stand in a case where someone else was accused of crimes against a police officer and they took the fifth?

Offer of immunity, I'd imagine, just like the officers in question.

What if that prole then continued to refuse to testify, even when there was zero possibility that any court in the land could entertain charges against them for anything arising out of anything he said on the stand?

I'd imagine an immediate charge of contempt of court and quote possibly an obstruction of justice charge on top of that.

 

[Fargo]

Cathy seems to think that if the officers are offered immunity but still won't testify then they could be charged with obstruction or contempt. (Like I quoted) attempting to return to the topic.

What would happen to a prole called to the stand in a case where someone else was accused of crimes against a police officer and they took the fifth?

Offer of immunity, I'd imagine, just like the officers in question.

What if that prole then continued to refuse to testify, even when there was zero possibility that any court in the land could entertain charges against them for anything arising out of anything he said on the stand?

I'd imagine an immediate charge of contempt of court and quote possibly an obstruction of justice charge on top of that.

Cathy is correct about the contempt, I don't know about obstruction in Ohio.

 

[HoughMade]

I don't think that an offer of immunity negates your fifth amendment rights.
If I still don't want to testify due to my own reasons (repercussions or reprisals) then immunity does not compel me to testify

If the immunity is broad enough, yes it does. Your option may end up being held in contempt until you testify.

 

[D-Ric902]

If the immunity is broad enough, yes it does. Your option may end up being held in contempt until you testify.

how can your identity be protected?
(serious question)

 

[Fargo]

how can your identity be protected?
(serious question)

Protected from what?

 

[D-Ric902]

Protected from what?

whtaever the reason for not wanting to testify in the first place. (Repercussions and reprisals)

try to keep up

 

[Fargo]

whtaever the reason for not wanting to testify in the first place. (Repercussions and reprisals)

try to keep up

I am going to ask again, what specific fifth amendment right(s) are you talking about? What part of the fifth amendment has to do with protecting you from repercussions and reprisals?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I am going to ask again, what specific fifth amendment right(s) are you talking about?

The longstanding right to look up at Danny Reagan and say dramatically, "I'm not snitching. No matters who tells me to."

THAT right, or have you conveniently forgotten it?

 

[D-Ric902]

Without being protected from anything that would cause me to not want to testify would result in my testimony being;

"I don't remember"
"I don't recall"
"I don't know"
"I'm not sure"
etc, etc

resulting in nothing for the prosecution from me

 

[Fargo]

The longstanding right to look up at Danny Reagan and say dramatically, "I'm not snitching. No matters who tells me to."

THAT right, or have you conveniently forgotten it?

Oh, you mean the right to see if the judge has a coronary before or after he locks your ass up?

 

[Fargo]

Without being protected from anything that would cause me to not want to testify would result in my testimony being;

"I don't remember"
"I don't recall"
"I don't know"
"I'm not sure"
etc, etc

resulting in nothing for the prosecution from me

So we are or aren't talking fifth amendment rights here?

Your stated intent to commit perjury aside, you do realize that the rules for the judge to conclude that you are violating your oath and still hold you in contempt is not the same as in a perjury prosecution?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Oh, you mean the right to see if the judge has a coronary before or after he locks your ass up?

You are so close to getting put in the trunk of Danny's car.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

resulting in nothing for the prosecution from me

Ohhh, there's plenty for the prosecution there, as well as a t-ball contempt for the court and Court of Appeals to uphold.