Pawn Shop Robber Shot & Killed in Indianapolis

[roscott]

But surely another stay in prison would have turned him from his wayward life of crime??

 

[OakRiver]

Has there been any report on caliber, ammunition type, and number of rounds places on target?

11 rounds of .22LR in the face.

 

[THE BIG SITT]

11 rounds of .22LR in the face.

Oh please let this become a thing.

 

[mrortega]

When details are releasable, I'm curious who fired the first shot. Not that it truly matters but as a bystander knowing when to intervene is a crap shoot. It's very clear that you intervene once the lead starts flying and you have no means to retreat, but from the time a robbery is announced, and a weapon is displayed intervening along that timeline is often debatable as to what each person would do. I'm still not sure how I'd react if the weapon is simply presented. There are a lot of other "what ifs" that come into play.

the other thing that is unfortunate that we don't talk about often is the mental state of the customer from this point on. Being in this situation will forever be remembered and could leave him with a PTSD that he may or may not be able to function with. It's not as simple as defending yourself and moving on.

I believe once a weapon is displayed you are in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. I would feel completely justified in firing the first shot. Only Marshall Dillon let the bad guy go first!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Caliber was .40.

 

[MCgrease08]

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It looks like we might be able to score another one for the good guys. Details still sparse, but on the surface this one seems to be a good shoot too.

 

[Bigtanker]

When details are releasable, I'm curious who fired the first shot. Not that it truly matters but as a bystander knowing when to intervene is a crap shoot. It's very clear that you intervene once the lead starts flying and you have no means to retreat, but from the time a robbery is announced, and a weapon is displayed intervening along that timeline is often debatable as to what each person would do. I'm still not sure how I'd react if the weapon is simply presented. There are a lot of other "what ifs" that come into play.

the other thing that is unfortunate that we don't talk about often is the mental state of the customer from this point on. Being in this situation will forever be remembered and could leave him with a PTSD that he may or may not be able to function with. It's not as simple as defending yourself and moving on.

With the type of business this is, I'm sure there is video. It might even be released publicly eventually.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Not quite. He felt quite certain though that the law made me do certain things, as if it wasn't a choice on my part, but some magical force that compelled to be in compliance.

Taxes ! You're such a charitable person that you willingly send money to the guberment or is it some form of compulsion ?

There is nothing " magical " about the force that will be used to gain your compliance if you do not submit to their will .

But you still have a choice right ? Yeah right lady !

Vupd or any others , what does it matter if the make / model of the guns used is disclosed at this point ? I assume it'd possibly have an adverse effect on the investigation some how ?

 

[Yup!]

I believe once a weapon is displayed you are in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm. I would feel completely justified in firing the first shot. Only Marshall Dillon let the bad guy go first!

I completely agree. I also know of some who would wait to see if the perp was going to rob and leave or rob, kill and leave. As a disinterested third party deciding when to take action is something that needs a little more clarity than simply having a gun shoved in your face.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Vupd or any others , what does it matter if the make / model of the guns used is disclosed at this point ? I assume it'd possibly have an adverse effect on the investigation some how ?

I didn't ask, so I don't know what gun it was. I generally just ask about caliber, shot placement, etc as I don't care what gun was used. Like I said above, the caliber was .40. It was a double stack, I do know that. The lead didn't know how many times the suspect was struck, the autopsy will show that, and I'll also find out what kind of ammunition was used.

 

[VUPDblue]

My info comes from the run notes and from talking to a friend who was on scene. I do not want to post any info that is not public and I don't want to hinder the investigation so I won't be too specific. I admittedly don't know where the line is as far as talking about the details so I will err on the side of caution

 

[mrortega]

I didn't ask, so I don't know what gun it was. I generally just ask about caliber, shot placement, etc as I don't care what gun was used. Like I said above, the caliber was .40. It was a double stack, I do know that. The lead didn't know how many times the suspect was struck, the autopsy will show that, and I'll also find out what kind of ammunition was used.

Are we talking about the good guy's gun?

 

[rhino]

Now, to the important part of the conversation:

1. Clearly this poor youth lost his promising life due to racism.
2. As soon as the paid "protestors" are done burning Ferguson, MO to the ground after the Grand Jury verdict is delivered, I think they'll be needed here.
3. Note that I have no information re: race or ethnicity of either the dead robber or the customer who took action, but I Just Know That It Was Racism. RACISM.

 

[Bigtanker]

[Video] Concealed Carrier Who Shot Career Criminal During Armed Robbery Now Fears For His Life

 

[ghuns]

Caliber was .40.

I believe you meant to say, "fotay".

 

[chipbennett]

Shannon Watts could not be reached for comment...

 

[88GT]

Taxes ! You're such a charitable person that you willingly send money to the guberment or is it some form of compulsion ?

There is nothing " magical " about the force that will be used to gain your compliance if you do not submit to their will .

But you still have a choice right ? Yeah right lady !

Vupd or any others , what does it matter if the make / model of the guns used is disclosed at this point ? I assume it'd possibly have an adverse effect on the investigation some how ?

Speak of the devil

Once again, you are displaying the ignorance of words and their meanings. I do not pay taxes because the law makes me. I pay taxes because the CHOICE of not doing so results in a consequence more painful than the CHOICE to pay. IT. IS. A. CHOICE.

I'll ask it again: if laws make people do things, then why do people still murder?

ETA: or to keep this on topic, why did the dead guy attempt to rob? There's a law that makes him not do it, right?

 

[Yup!]

Speak of the devil

Once again, you are displaying the ignorance of words and their meanings. I do not pay taxes because the law makes me. I pay taxes because the CHOICE of not doing so results in a consequence more painful than the CHOICE to pay. IT. IS. A. CHOICE.

I'll ask it again: if laws make people do things, then why do people still murder?

if signs were effective, why not hang a no guns sign on the whitehouse and get rid of the secret service?

 

[rhino]

if signs were effective, why not hang a no guns sign on the whitehouse and get rid of the secret service?

I think you're onto something there.

I say we make some signs to post in Iraq: "No Killing, Murdering, Raping, Beheading, Beating, Kidnapping, etc."

I'm sure it will put an end to it, then we can expand to the rest of the word!

 

[88GT]

No, no, no, guys. It's just the laws that remove the person's ability to choose. Signs aren't imbued with the same forces of power.