oops now we know why she left

[ultraspec]

Wow Jessie is very hot. I havent really ever seen her before so i guess I was under a rock lol. One messed up story

 

[HICKMAN]

guess I'll be burning all my Team Glock sh*t this weekend....

just utterly sickened by this.

 

[tnek]

Jeezz what a mess. First and formost the identity of the girl needs to be protected regardless of previous discussions. Even if a small number know who it is, it's a disservice and low blow to continue on the premise that everyone knows who she is.
The scumbag in question is in for some serious prison justice and may end up dead because of it.
I watched some episodes of "Hard Time" on Nat Geo and some of those guys will stand up and say they look for molesters to beat because they were abused themselves as kids.

No happy ending here for anyone involved.

 

[dom1104]

I only know one 15 yo shooter that shoots for Glock, and thats too bad, she seemed a nice young lady.

 

[Davegrave]

I'm gonna be the jerk that everyone hates here.

But it sounds from the articles, (and if I'm wrong I'll join in with the "shoot him in his face in the woods" bunch), as if it was consensual.

Yes I know that at that age she doesn't have the RIGHT to consent. And it's super taboo to say that sleeping with a girl under 18 is anything other than the sickest most revolting thing on earth. But 18 was picked arbitrarily. Someone just said 18 one day and all of a sudden younger made you a freak.

For 1000's of years humans have had sex at the age of maturity. Great kings, hero's, politicians have all married and had children born by girls in their teens.

Everyone is calling him a pedophile. It always seems to me like people who jump on the "string him up and bleed him out, that girl was only 17 years and 4 months old" bandwaggon are very insecure. I always feel like they are trying to make up for their own guilty feelings somehow.

I don't know, but to me a pedophile is someone who is attracted to undeveloped children. By 15 or 16 most girls are developed pretty fully. Nature made their bodies ready to bear children. All the features that come along with that, by natures design, attract the sexual attention of men. Being attracted to a fully developed female is a natural reaction. It's subconscious. You can't legislate away a man being attracted to a fertile woman with full breasts and widened hips emitting pheromones developed by our creator to arouse the opposite sex. It's as impossible as declaring hurricaned and floods illegal.


I'd be willing to bet that there are states where it's legal for a man to marry a 15 year old girl with a parents consent. If not states, I know for sure countries. Is a guy that is willing to get a pat on the back from mom and dad and sign a marriage certificate and do it legally also a rapist and pedophile? If a girl at that age really has no capacity to consent then shouldn't the parents be charged with accessory to rape?

Again, I'm not saying this guy isn't a world class idiot. I'm not saying he's not a fool for throwing everything away over this. I'm not saying he was right. I'm not saying it doesn't show some big character flaws if a guy is only attracted to young girls that he can "control". But his wife seems like a strong woman. The girl seems like a smart, strong, confident, level headed girl that made a choice that she felt comfortable with. I bet she's a lot more emotionally secure and intellectually acute than most girls 3 years older than her that get pushed into a life of drugs and porn. But they are "grown women" and can make their own choices. I don't get the "preying on the weak" vibe from this story. I get the "idiot that couldn't keep it in his pants and threw away a life that most gun nuts would lose a leg to have" vibe.

I'm just saying it sounds like she was very much in favor of the relationship. If so I doubt it "damaged" her any more than if she had a boyfriend her own age to engage is such activities with. If she was in favor of it, I'd say this public uproar is far more damaging to her than a romance with an older guy.

As I said, if I'm wrong and he really coerced or forced her, and that's not just legal jargon associated with the charges, then there isn't punishment enough for him.

I know no one will rep me for this post. No one will post a thumbs up or +1. It's just too taboo. The only responses will be that I must not have kids, or I must be a rapist to think that way. Just a guy being honest and unafraid to say that not every law lives up to it's good intentions.

 

[PTRDRGN]

4. Billy Abbate stepped across the line no question but the parents of the victim share some responsibility as well. Their trust of a friend was violated but they should have had more closely monitored the situation.


I think its hard to place blame on the parents, could happen to any of us. How do you know the "victim" wasn't a willing participant? In most cases, age makes it "molest" by law, but not necessarily the case. I'm by no means saying it is ok, just changes things a little.

 

[bwframe]

I think its hard to place blame on the parents, could happen to any of us. How do you know the "victim" wasn't a willing participant? In most cases, age makes it "molest" by law, but not necessarily the case. I'm by no means saying it is ok, just changes things a little.

I totally disagree with the above.

Just ask any male teacher, instructor, boss or supervisor. A whole lot of 15 year olds flirt with full intention of following with action. It IS the responsibility of the person in authority to be above reproach. It IS also the responsibility of the parents to know this can and does happen.

 

[glock34]

timing is interesting as Dave just left...

how can you have the hottest lady around and do that?

That is what i was thinking!

 

[Coach]

4. Billy Abbate stepped across the line no question but the parents of the victim share some responsibility as well. Their trust of a friend was violated but they should have had more closely monitored the situation.


I think its hard to place blame on the parents, could happen to any of us. How do you know the "victim" wasn't a willing participant? In most cases, age makes it "molest" by law, but not necessarily the case. I'm by no means saying it is ok, just changes things a little.

Who let her get into this position? Who let her be alone and unsupervised with this guy? Who was looking out for her and her future? She is not an adult so they have the responsibility to protect her and that includes from herself if need be. She is too young to make these decisions. They should have done better.

 

[Coach]

I'm gonna be the jerk that everyone hates here.

But it sounds from the articles, (and if I'm wrong I'll join in with the "shoot him in his face in the woods" bunch), as if it was consensual.

Yes I know that at that age she doesn't have the RIGHT to consent. And it's super taboo to say that sleeping with a girl under 18 is anything other than the sickest most revolting thing on earth. But 18 was picked arbitrarily. Someone just said 18 one day and all of a sudden younger made you a freak.

For 1000's of years humans have had sex at the age of maturity. Great kings, hero's, politicians have all married and had children born by girls in their teens.

Everyone is calling him a pedophile. It always seems to me like people who jump on the "string him up and bleed him out, that girl was only 17 years and 4 months old" bandwaggon are very insecure. I always feel like they are trying to make up for their own guilty feelings somehow.

I don't know, but to me a pedophile is someone who is attracted to undeveloped children. By 15 or 16 most girls are developed pretty fully. Nature made their bodies ready to bear children. All the features that come along with that, by natures design, attract the sexual attention of men. Being attracted to a fully developed female is a natural reaction. It's subconscious. You can't legislate away a man being attracted to a fertile woman with full breasts and widened hips emitting pheromones developed by our creator to arouse the opposite sex. It's as impossible as declaring hurricaned and floods illegal.


I'd be willing to bet that there are states where it's legal for a man to marry a 15 year old girl with a parents consent. If not states, I know for sure countries. Is a guy that is willing to get a pat on the back from mom and dad and sign a marriage certificate and do it legally also a rapist and pedophile? If a girl at that age really has no capacity to consent then shouldn't the parents be charged with accessory to rape?

Again, I'm not saying this guy isn't a world class idiot. I'm not saying he's not a fool for throwing everything away over this. I'm not saying he was right. I'm not saying it doesn't show some big character flaws if a guy is only attracted to young girls that he can "control". But his wife seems like a strong woman. The girl seems like a smart, strong, confident, level headed girl that made a choice that she felt comfortable with. I bet she's a lot more emotionally secure and intellectually acute than most girls 3 years older than her that get pushed into a life of drugs and porn. But they are "grown women" and can make their own choices. I don't get the "preying on the weak" vibe from this story. I get the "idiot that couldn't keep it in his pants and threw away a life that most gun nuts would lose a leg to have" vibe.

I'm just saying it sounds like she was very much in favor of the relationship. If so I doubt it "damaged" her any more than if she had a boyfriend her own age to engage is such activities with. If she was in favor of it, I'd say this public uproar is far more damaging to her than a romance with an older guy.

As I said, if I'm wrong and he really coerced or forced her, and that's not just legal jargon associated with the charges, then there isn't punishment enough for him.

I know no one will rep me for this post. No one will post a thumbs up or +1. It's just too taboo. The only responses will be that I must not have kids, or I must be a rapist to think that way. Just a guy being honest and unafraid to say that not every law lives up to it's good intentions.

Rationalization is powerful.

 

[edsinger]

I know no one will rep me for this post. No one will post a thumbs up or +1. It's just too taboo. The only responses will be that I must not have kids, or I must be a rapist to think that way. Just a guy being honest and unafraid to say that not every law lives up to it's good intentions.

I gave you some rep because you make a good case and a rational argument.

Well I was somewhat thinking along the same lines, 100 years ago it was no big deal. It was almost common. Did anyone want to hang Jerry Lee Lewis? I even seem to remember they were related and she was 14. Folks that was only 50 years or so ago.

Still, I feel that he KNEW better and did not keep it in his pants. Therefore he bears the responsibility ultimately. No matter if she had a puppy love attraction to him, it was HIS duty to shut that down. It is not acceptable today, PERIOD.

However, the fact that he was married and to someone that is quite attractive, I hold him to being a sh$yhead. Not only to do that to his wife but to do this to this young lady with no regard to how it could affect those involved. If that was my daughter I could very well be in jail.

This dumbarse KNEW better and he made the choice. Therefore the law shall decide his fate. I hope his $$ doesn't get him free.

You can not really say that he forced her, but he did certainly encourage it. Either way, he broke the law and how the father can not...maybe that is why he turned himself in?

Now I did not know anything about this, so I did some research. Did ANYONE else know of this relationship? How long ago did his wife divorce him? Did she know?

I think there is more to this story.

 

[edsinger]

...

Ok I am going back and reading and paying more attention to the details...

According to authorities, Abbate, a professional shooter, traveled with the alleged victim and her shooting team to various states, where some of the alleged acts occurred.
The mother of the girl came forward last month with the allegations.

Ok last month the police got involved and this has been going on for a 'while'. Ok now we know the reason for the wife divorcing last month. She must not have known about this until recently.

Henry County Police detectives allegedly recovered evidence after executing search warrants at Abbate’s home in Henry and a shooting range in Butts County.

This guy has some serious issues. I don't think I want to know what the evidence is..

child molestation, aggravated child molestation, enticing a child for indecent purposes, sexual exploitation of children and statutory rape

Enticing? Of course he was. He should have stopped this but from that charge alone it appears he instigated it.

Noticed his wife is 24 and he is 40 something? Odd....

Henry County police said Abbate was teaching a 15-year-old girl how to shoot a gun when he started having sex with her.

So this has been going on a while then...

According to police, Abbate is friends with the teenager's father. In July he found out about the inappropriate relationship and alerted the police

Did the Abbate's wife tell the girls Father (my wife thinks so, she says that makes sense with the time line)?

most of Abbate's sexual encounters with his friend's 15-year-old daughter happened at his ranch in McDonough.

So the are the parents partially responsible for this? I think not but we can not be sure. We all have people we trust and the girl was starting a very rewarding career. I wonder if they now remember things that they should have noticed. As a parent, this one scares me. I want to trust my kids but how can you always know?

William Leonard Abbate, 45, turned himself in to the Henry County Jail at 3:10 p.m., Thursday

I bet he did as I bet the girls father is a bit angry, but remember, he knew in July.

The alleged child molestation offenses for which Abbate is charged reportedly took place March 17, 2010, at his home, in McDonough, or on his farm in Butts County.

Crap, this is over a year ago......WTF? Was it continuing?

traveled with her and her shooting team to various states, offering instruction, according to Henry County Police Maj. Jason Bolton. Other jurisdictions are expected to file charges

Good, maybe he will have multiple states to visit now.

The defendant knowingly enticed [the victim] to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing a visual medium

And this is the kicker, he filmed it? WTF. He is a sexual predator no doubt. He wanted FILM?

“On July 18, a complainant contacted Henry County Police regarding an alleged improper sexual relationship between his 15-year-old daughter and Abbate, who was a family friend,” said Bolton. “Numerous witnesses have been interviewed by police, and the investigation is ongoing.”

Ok that is about 1 month ago. The interviews started. Somehow I still believe there is something to this story that we don't know.

One article says the mother came forward and another that the father did. Which is it?

Although it was common years ago, it no longer is but by rereading some of the details, I firmly believe he was a predator in this case. I believe he initiated the contact. Even if he did not, he is responsible. This man is truly sick. I wish I would have read the news stories with more detail earlier.

Sick...

 

[darthfader]

some thoughts....

as a new member and a father with a daughter, i personally find this talk inappropriate for this forum.. im suprised it is here. i thought we were supposed to be talking about shooting sports and firearms and not digging up gossip on this tragedy. by bringing this out into the open on this forum that is viewed by people from all over the country, the 2 females involved will never show their faces here or on the range again. well done guys. why the moderators havent shut this down is beyond me... just my .. im off to go look at guns...

 

[Rob377]

This started over a year ago...so she was 14 at the time of the offenses charged in 2010? and he's 30 years older?

I don't give a rat's ass what they did 100 years ago.

Sick. Absolutely freakin' sick.

 

[96firephoenix]

I know no one will rep me for this post.

I did. mostly because you made your points well, and while I don't agree with all of your points, I can rep a well constructed arguement.

I do think that any coach/instructor/teacher that carries on a relationship with a current pupil is in the wrong. regardless of consent, age, etc... the relationship is not one that lends itself to THAT type of relations. If the person involved is a former pupil, its no longer an abuse of the relationship. I also don't think anyone that carries on a relationship with someone who is 30 years their junior is quite right in the head. even 20 years, as Jessie is... not quite thinking with the right head. something about being able to vote before the other person was born just doesn't sit right with me. maybe I'm just crazy.

Also... this guy is an idiot. he's got a smokin hot wife who seems pretty smart, likes guns, supported him in his career choices... I know I wouldn't be sowing wild oats if I were in his shoes.

 

[Coach]

This started over a year ago...so she was 14 at the time of the offenses charged in 2010? and he's 30 years older?

I don't give a rat's ass what they did 100 years ago.

Sick. Absolutely freaking sick
+1 ABSOLUTELY.

Let one of you "they did this 100 years ago types" try and touch my daughter and this story will end much differently. I am not going to the police.

 

[edsinger]

Let one of you "they did this 100 years ago types" try and touch my daughter and this story will end much differently. I am not going to the police.

Ok, I think you misunderstand something. I have a daughter that age and I think this guy has some serious issues. No way am I condoning what he has done. As for the not going to police, I can surely understand that.

All that being said, As I reexamined and reread things, some of the details that were released imply this man is a predator. I agree.

As for the 100 years ago 'types' I am also not naive enough to let some government law passed to an arbitrary age cloud that fact that it was common in most countries around the world and legal including the US and has only recently (last 100 years or so) been considered taboo. It is not that I agree with it, but it was fact, times were different. I have a suspicion that the longer you go back the less males were available due to wars etc so it was really a matter of necessity at some point.

I find it odd when I actually looked it up, Japan (13) really shocked me.
Anyhow, the age in the US is 16 and up, but some countries are lower. Some of these are surprising to me. I expect Afghanistan to be low but look at the Vatican State? Wow. Times sure have changed. Another oddity, look at Botswana (16f/14m)......WTH?

And as for the US, California has the age of 18 listed, I wonder how that works out...

Worldwide Ages of Consent

As someone earlier pointed out, I also do not think this is pedophilia per se, I think it more of a sexual predator scumbag. He is sick in the head.

 

[HICKMAN]

i personally find this talk inappropriate for this forum.. im suprised it is here. i thought we were supposed to be talking about shooting sports and firearms and not digging up gossip on this tragedy.

first of all, some of the folks here KNOW the ladies involved and have shot matches with them.

Also, my teenage daughter is a fan of the probable victim and many of us competative shooters here follow the career of the ex-wife, as well as those who were on the now supposedly dead Team Glock.

This impacts more than just our little INGo forum. You aren't a fan of Team Glock, I was...

 

[cschwanz]

While arguments may be well represented, I don't buy the "100 years ago" thing. Guess what? Last time I checked a calendar, it said August of 2011, not 1906. Yes, 100 years ago, it was perfectly normal for a 14yo girl to get married and start having kids. That was then. This is now. Yes, 18 is an arbitrary age that someone thought sounded good. But guess what? That's what the law is. Break it and pay the consequences.

 

[CAMO66]

first of all, some of the folks here KNOW the ladies involved and have shot matches with them.

Also, my teenage daughter is a fan of the probable victim and many of us competative shooters here follow the career of the ex-wife, as well as those who were on the now supposedly dead Team Glock.

This impacts more than just our little INGo forum. You aren't a fan of Team Glock, I was...

You don't know if the young lady you keep refering to is even involved in this in anyway. But now she is thanks to you. You say you have a teenage daughter. Well if she was the one involved would you want everyone knowing and talking about it on a forum?
And don't give me that " well their in the public eye and are fare game" crap.
I agree that this thread should be closed not just because it's not directly related to firearms but out of decency. If you want to read and write about this kind of stuff go to The Enquirer or People Magizine and have at it.
Nuf-said

Scott