She knows that when I'm cc'ing, she's not supposed to draw attention to my pistol, so she started calling it my "thing" instead of my "gun" (rather than just not mentioning it at all). She made several...unfortunate...comments in that regard (that you can work out for yourself) over the course of a week or so as my wife and I struggled with how to correct her behavior. Subtlety is not a 9-year-old's strong suit. She's since grown a bit and gotten a bit wiser and has started to learn a little bit of discretion.
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OC at 4-H Fair. -1 Marshall County Reserve Officer
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She knows that when I'm cc'ing, she's not supposed to draw attention to my pistol, so she started calling it my "thing" instead of my "gun" (rather than just not mentioning it at all). She made several...unfortunate...comments in that regard (that you can work out for yourself) over the course of a week or so as my wife and I struggled with how to correct her behavior. Subtlety is not a 9-year-old's strong suit. She's since grown a bit and gotten a bit wiser and has started to learn a little bit of discretion.
Thought I would comment on this while I read it. Sorry I have not looked at the other pages of comments yet.
The Fair Board is not the same as Extension. Often time the youth Agent in the county sits on the fair board. 4H is an Extension program. Extension agents are educators that are funded in part by the county. They are employees of Purdue University.
Why shouldn't this reserve officer be held personally accountable for his actions? If I'm at work and mouth off to a customer and do so with bad information, you can bet for sure that I'll be held accountable and probably fired for it. Why should this officer get a pass? IT'S HIS JOB TO KNOW THE LAW.
Granted, there's a LOT of law to know, and there's no way to be an expert in all aspects of it, but that doesn't excuse him being unprofessional. Had he not been a jerk about it, likely this would not even have been a thread on INGO.
Yep, if I have an issue come up that I have never had come up before. I will call or research it before I talk to the person in question. I assume he could have called someone to find out how to handle it before confronting the OP.
Why did you say this? Is this really why you carry a gun? Do you want to look like a stupid joker in front of a jury in the civil case?
Good luck with any "legal action." You told the LEO that if he asked you to leave, you would leave. You offered an action, three times, and the LEO called you out on that.
Folks should understand that anything you say can be used against you, not just in criminal court. Do folks believe a jury/judge is going to take a person seriously when the first thing they say to an LEO who ask why they have a gun is "Because I can’t carry a cop on my back."?? How will it look to the jury/judge that the person tells the LEO, not once, not twice, but three times "Ask me to leave and I will gladly leave." You practically begged to be asked to leave, so the LEO ask you to leave, and somehow you have possible "legal action?" Neither you nor the LEO handled the situation well at all. For LEOs: Know the law. For OCers: Know what kind of property you are on, so you can know if the new law applies. Also, why would you talk to LEOs outside of offering your license? Just repeat "Am I free to go officer/deputy?" If one is serious about testing the damages portion of the new law, I would suggest not making stupid, silly comments. Remember, your an OCer, you may already have one strike against you with the judge and jury!!
Not an issue if you just want to stir the pot, though not the course I would take if I was serious about future legal action. Such actions can make one come across as a smart ass. You want the judge/jury to view you as an upstanding person, not a joker smart ass "all eyes on me" fool with a gun.
Am I missing something here? Where was the threat of incarceration leveled against the OP for not leaving? The OP admits he told the LEO that if the LEO just asked him to leave, he would leave. The LEO did just that, so the OP left. According to the OP's transcript, he was the first one to bring up leaving, and the way he brought it up wasn't very good...making an offer to leave on his own accord.
I agree with this post. I would only give the officer a pass on the new law about guns on public places, only because it is just 15 days old. However, the officer should have known about the legality of OCing, and the officer shouldn't make threats about taking away stuff that he can't take away (the license).
My first thought was "it's too bad he didn't work for an insurance agency."
LOL...I will file that reply away......
Cop Basher!!!!
Nope, that's CC. They ram their little faces into your concealed pistol when they run up to give you a hug.
OC for the children
...and the ignorant.
My almost 3 year old granddaughter loves her granpa so much she runs into me full steam... and she is just at the height were it can really hurt. So the other day I turned to the right side to take it on the hip... and she bonked her head on the keltec in the pocket. Made her eyes cross for a while. Now I turn to the left when she runs at me.
That's all I got. I am not finding a damn thing to defend the Reserve Deputy...
Well, that and I think I am usually the guy getting called that...
I somewhat agree with you Indy317 but I understand why the OP said what he said also. The police officer was trying to intimidate the OP is what it seemed to me and the OP wasn't going to take it. I applaud him for standing up for himself. I think he made the officer look like an ass and the officer probably realizes that too. Maybe the officer will refrain from intimidation tactics and will approach situations with more of a level head because of this.
I doubt there will be a lawsuit and I doubt a slap on the wrist would have changed the officers attitude. Again +1 to the OP for standing up to himself and -1 to that specific police officer.
I doubt there will be a lawsuit and I doubt a slap on the wrist would have changed the officers attitude. Again +1 to the OP for standing up to himself and -1 to that specific police officer.
firemedic140
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I'm sure a lot of you will be pissed but here it goes. I understand the whole open carry vs. concealed. I choose cc. If your "harassed" for lack of a better word right now. Cover the damn thing up and go about your business. Answering questions with questions, smart assed answers are only going to escalate the situation. People have a right to be scared. I'm not saying anyone should have been asked to leave. Maybe that option wouldn't have come to the officers mind had it not so poignantly been made an option! Some times it's easier to go with the flow and cover than make a point and upset people around you including your family.
They also have the ability to get educated or get lost. If they are so scared why didn't they run away screaming? Reason:they weren't scared they just don't approve of guns and want to push their beliefs on other people.
How about you take your caustic little attitude to a thread that is covering the OC vs. CC debate, instead of acting like a petulant little child on a soapbox and jacking with this threads intent.
How about you take your caustic little attitude to a thread that is covering the OC vs. CC debate, instead of acting like a petulant little child on a soapbox and jacking with this threads intent.
I guess I'm not seeing it... I mean the caustic attitude and little child on a soapbox???
Wow I thought this was an open forum where we were able to bring together different ideas... but it appears that if someone thinks we should do something besides bash the LEO in this thread they are wrong
firemedic140
Marksman
How about you take your caustic little attitude to a thread that is covering the OC vs. CC debate, instead of acting like a petulant little child on a soapbox and jacking with this threads intent.
Wow, it was just my take. Maybe you should stop jacking off and think a little. A lot of people live in your little world. I wasn't debating oc vs cc. I happen to not agree with the way it was handled by either party.
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