notify leo of ccw?

[RomanDad]

If they pat you down, right?

Whew.... I thought he was gonna say "Cavity search"...

 

[TiminMishawaka]

I have a CCW here in California. Interestingly, as difficult as they make it for us to get them (believe me a ccw in California is rarer than sasquatch), I can actually carry in more places than LTCHrs in Indiana (I can carry at schools for example).


One of our rules is that when we "come in contact" with a police officer (and were given no guidance on what that means) we have to notify them that we're carrying. Is there any such requirement in Indiana?


Thanks

No requirement but I do it as a courtesy and probably partially from my background growing up in a liberal state like Illinois.

 

[dross]

I didn't like it much either.......I had hoped my edit would go through before you saw it. The approach I've taken on this thread has less to do with the thread, and more to do with my day, so I apologize if you were offended.
Look......I don't want to make enemies here. I simply disagree with your philosophy. I understand your feelings about privacy, and your rights. I just disagree that an officer has no right to ask if the person he's confronting has a weapon.

The loud music example came from a man named William McGurn. He used it in conjunction with an argument against the Mosque being built at the WTC site. His point was, that just because they have a RIGHT to do it, and there is no legal course of action to prevent it's being built, there is still a "good neighbor" policy that should cause them to feel a moral obligation to abstain. I think the example fits well here. It is MY belief, that an officer DOES have a right to ask you if you have a weapon, and that I have an obligation to put him at ease. Again, my actions are dictated by my experiences.........none of which have included such actions as having my weapon stripped from me and unloaded in a squad car.

Everyone can have a bad day. Thanks for your reply to that effect.

As to your disagreement with my point of view - what an idiot you must be! Just kidding. Reasonable people may disagree.

To emphasize a point I made earlier, I was once on the fence on this issue, and I even leaned to the side of informing. I read enough arguments to convince me otherwise.

One of the problems inherent in basing our viewpoints only on our own experiences is that by definition our individual experiences are rather narrow. After reading multiple accounts of individuals who faced humiliating treatment at the hands of SOME LEOs, and also reading strong defenses of that behavior from LEOs who claim they wouldn't themselves do that, I decided that the rational choice was to assert my rights.

As I've said before several times on this board: If you're an LEO who disarms a law abiding citizen after they've politely informed you that they are armed, supposedly out of some sense of personal safety, how safe do you feel now that your behavior has caused me and probably others to now NEVER inform you when law doesn't require me to do so?

A right unexercised is a right lost.

 

[NDguido]

Everyone can have a bad day. Thanks for your reply to that effect.

As to your disagreement with my point of view - what an idiot you must be! Just kidding. Reasonable people may disagree.

To emphasize a point I made earlier, I was once on the fence on this issue, and I even leaned to the side of informing. I read enough arguments to convince me otherwise.

One of the problems inherent in basing our viewpoints only on our own experiences is that by definition our individual experiences are rather narrow. After reading multiple accounts of individuals who faced humiliating treatment at the hands of SOME LEOs, and also reading strong defenses of that behavior from LEOs who claim they wouldn't themselves do that, I decided that the rational choice was to assert my rights.

I can concede that my method is more narrow. It's worked well for me, however. I'm a veteran of old school bulletin boards, with most of my experience having been political boards......I have heard some real whoppers over the last 15 years or so, so much that I have learned to believe very little of what I read on them anymore.

A right unexercised is a right lost.

This is the mantra of many a civil rights demonstration, and it has much basis in truth. However, if I wished to convince you of one thing, it would be this: A right exercised irresponsibly will be lost far, far faster. The sad part of that statement is, that "irresponsibly" is subjective and based on other people's ideals. Right or wrong, that is just how it is. Asserting your rights is a noble endeavor, but the methods used can have a great affect on the opinions of the "other people."

I'm not convinced that your outright refusal to be up front about your weapon is the way to go, but I do have a clearer understanding of where the sentiment comes from, so I guess the convesation wasn't a total loss.

 

[Ski]

It's threads like this that keep me here reading for hours on end. I always assumed I'd inform an officer right away, but now I'm thinking I'm not saying anything unless asked directly. The exception being if my holster is wedged between the seat and console. I think I'd rather let the LEO know instead of them finding out on their own.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I think thats the prudant approach....

Now....In the meantime, If you all would get to making it legal to carry at the Horseshoe, Id really appreciate it. (Ive walked through COMPTON, unarmed, and not been as scared as Ive been in the Horseshoes parking garage....)





Whats wrong with crocks and socks?

You can carry just not in the casino itself. They are required to provide you with secure storage for your firearm under 68 IAC 1-7-1 Here is a link to the Indiana Administrative Code.

You can carry in the parking lot and into the part of the building that is not the casino. Only the casino itself is off limits

I'm going to leave the crocs and socks statement alone.

So, this is totally off topic, I suppose its my thread and I got the answer I wanted so I can jack it if I want? Mods should move it if they want-

With my CCWs (CA., UT, NV & FL) I am legal to carry in Indiana when I visit two weeks from now.

Can I carry open, like you people can with your LTCH? Or am I restricted to the terms of my license under your reciprocity?

Josh, look at the statute again (when in doubt, whip it out, the statute that is).

IC 35-47-2-21
Recognition of retail dealers' licenses and licenses to carry handguns issued by other states

Sec. 21. (a) Retail dealers' licenses issued by other states or foreign countries will not be recognized in Indiana except for sales at wholesale.
(b) Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized according to the terms thereof but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.

O.K., see where it says "accordding to the terms thereof", so if you are from . . . oh, let's say Texas you have to wear a big, silly hat, pointy elf boots, a string tie and carry concealed because in Tejas that is a requirement of the license.

Kirk is it a requirement of the license to dress like that? Or another part of Tejas code? My interpretation of it (although IANAL) is that you have to follow the restrictions on the license/permit same as a drivers license. ie If your required to wear glasses or have outside mirrors due to a restriction on your DL you would have to follow that here in IN also. And the same with firearm license/permits. If it says concealed it's for concealed. Same with hunting/target handgun license/permits, or if your restricted to certain firearms or types of firearms. Such as I believe in TX there are two levels of permits wheel guns only or semi auto/wheel gun/whatever.(side note if it's not TX that has it, is it a violation of Kirks first law to quote it being the law in TX when it's actually elsewhere, or only a violation to quote TX law as applying to other states? Another side note if it is TX would you be required to have the semi-auto one to carry a 2 shot derringer?) Or there is at least one state out there that you are limited to the exact models and I believe serial numbers of firearms that are on your permit.

But Roman there is an easy out for you. Get a PA license to carry a firearm. It's cheap and easy. Send them a copy of your DL and CCW and a check/money order for $26 and they will send you one. No training etc required. Although that won't help you out on your next visit, I've heard they can be quick but not 2 week quick.
http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_to_carry.pdf

 

[RomanDad]

You can carry just not in the casino itself. They are required to provide you with secure storage for your firearm under 68 IAC 1-7-1 Here is a link to the Indiana Administrative Code.

You can carry in the parking lot and into the part of the building that is not the casino. Only the casino itself is off limits

I'm going to leave the crocs and socks statement alone.




Kirk is it a requirement of the license to dress like that? Or another part of Tejas code? My interpretation of it (although IANAL) is that you have to follow the restrictions on the license/permit same as a drivers license. ie If your required to wear glasses or have outside mirrors due to a restriction on your DL you would have to follow that here in IN also. And the same with firearm license/permits. If it says concealed it's for concealed. Same with hunting/target handgun license/permits, or if your restricted to certain firearms or types of firearms. Such as I believe in TX there are two levels of permits wheel guns only or semi auto/wheel gun/whatever.(side note if it's not TX that has it, is it a violation of Kirks first law to quote it being the law in TX when it's actually elsewhere, or only a violation to quote TX law as applying to other states? Another side note if it is TX would you be required to have the semi-auto one to carry a 2 shot derringer?) Or there is at least one state out there that you are limited to the exact models and I believe serial numbers of firearms that are on your permit.

But Roman there is an easy out for you. Get a PA license to carry a firearm. It's cheap and easy. Send them a copy of your DL and CCW and a check/money order for $26 and they will send you one. No training etc required. Although that won't help you out on your next visit, I've heard they can be quick but not 2 week quick.
http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_to_carry.pdf

Whats the advantage of the PA license?


And Im wearing my crocs/Socks (With or without Hawaiian shirt) whether you like it or not!!!

 

[ATM]

And Im wearing my crocs/Socks (With or without Hawaiian shirt) whether you like it or not!!!

If you opt for the Crocs/Socks/Hawaiian shirt cobo, I would suggest throwing caution to the wind and just carry concealed.

(It is only under these extreme circumstances that I would ever make such a suggestion.)

 

[RomanDad]

If you opt for the Crocs/Socks/Hawaiian shirt cobo, I would suggest throwing caution to the wind and just carry concealed.

(It is only under these extreme circumstances that I would ever make such a suggestion.)

Crocs and guns look great together!!!

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/long_guns/33819-long_gun_show_and_tell-17.html#post1217444

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Whats the advantage of the PA license?

It's simply a license to carry firearms. Nothing about concealed. So under it you should be able to open carry with no worries.

 

[Hammerhead]

Wouldn't the idea be that the local law is what should be followed? I know that in Ohio (at least it used to be) you can't turn right on a red light like you can here. If I drive in Ohio, I have to follow Ohio traffic law.

On that note, if an out of state license is valid here, local law is silent on carry, just that you have to have a license to do so. So OC or CC would be acceptable, just as if I traveled to CA and had to follow their OC laws since my license here isn't valid there.

IANAL, but that seems to make legal sense.

 

[right winger]

I live in a small town.I am related to the town marshall by marriage.So my town and county if stopped I place my LCTH w/dl.