NBC dumps 'under God' from Pledge at U.S. Open Read more: NBC dumps 'under God' from

[Blind Squirrel]

Interesting enough, one year after the pledge changed, "In God We Trust" was mandated by law from congress to be included on all coins and paper currency of the U.S. Both in a time of fervent anti-communist sentiment which many believed was the driving force behind the change. Nothing apocalyptic happened when it changed and I would bet nothing apocalyptic would happen if it were to changed back.

 

[mrjarrell]

Nothing apocalyptic happened when it changed and I would bet nothing apocalyptic would happen if it were to changed back.

Something certainly would happen. The evangelical rights heads would implode. Certain sects would go right off the deep end. It would be mass hysteria and the talking heads on radio would implode right along with the evangelicals.

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Something certainly would happen. The evangelical rights heads would implode. Certain sects would go right off the deep end. It would be mass hysteria and the talking heads on radio would implode right along with the evangelicals.

I think that happens fairly regularly at this point doesn't. I was thinking more like waking up and seeing four horseman riding towards your house without welcome wagon baskets in tow.

It's ironic; Teddy Roosevelt actually opposed putting "In God We Trust" on money because he felt it was demeaning and sacrilegious to religion to put God's name on money.

 

[Roadie]

I love how religious topics are against the rules, so I cant post how I REALLY feel, but someone can tag this thread with the insult "bible thumpers"..

Nah, no double standard here..

 

[chizzle]

Nothing wrong with that. I pledge allegiance to my country, but I have no belief in a higher being so I omit those words as well.

+1

Here's to a country where we have the freedom to believe as we wish, and the ability to speak about it...

 

[RockofStrength]

I love how religious topics are against the rules, so I cant post how I REALLY feel, but someone can tag this thread with the insult "bible thumpers"..

Nah, no double standard here..

I have generally taken it as a compliment. "why, yes, I do occasionally consult the religious text that I have chosen to base my life on. Would you prefer I be utterly ignorant of my own beliefs?"

The only issue I have with removing God from money, the pledge etc is the motivation. If this essentially pointless removal is seen as precedence for other changes that would be pointed at me as a Christian for the sake of not offending other religions or belief systems I would prefer it not take place until a more proper reasoning is put forth. Otherwise, by all means remove what was essentially a propaganda rallying cry against the Commies from my money and the pledge.

 

[! twitty]

For what it is worth, NBC has already apologized for omitting those words.

 

[level.eleven]

I love how religious topics are against the rules, so I cant post how I REALLY feel, but someone can tag this thread with the insult "bible thumpers"..

Nah, no double standard here..

Just to clear the air, I did not do that.

I've never tagged anything. I see that someone tagged Ayn Rand, however, which I find interesting. That was the route I was going to pursue (altruism/self sacrifice) regarding a poster in this thread. Ultimately though, as I hope I made clear in my previous post, I didn't know if it would be prudent.

 

[hornadylnl]

Like the pharasees who had religion but not god, we Americans have patriotism but not liberty. We like to talk about it. We just don't practice it.

 

[jd4320t]

Thank you Joslar for this post.

I believe this action by NBC was indeed deliberate. 40 years ago they would have been scorned by the public and the media. Not today. The results of this post shows that unfortunately this nation is becoming a nation that is NOT under God. This will eventually lead to the demise of the country if not reversed. This path of history is following that of the Roman Empire which rotted from the inside out.

I have some big not so new news for you. I'm free to believe how I want! I will not be reversed because I am not wrong, just like you aren't.

Comments like this are exactly why they don't want religious threads on here.

 

[Roadie]

I have some big not so new news for you. I'm free to believe how I want! I will not be reversed because I am not wrong, just like you aren't.

Comments like this are exactly why they don't want religious threads on here.

Oh really, I didnt realize you were an INGO spokesperson....

I though the reason was to keep either "side" from being "offended".
I didn't realize it was just to support the non-religious and keep them from being butthurt..

 

[jd4320t]

Oh really, I didnt realize you were an INGO spokesperson....

I though the reason was to keep either "side" from being "offended".
I didn't realize it was just to support the non-religious and keep them from being butthurt..

 

[Que]

The thread was about the Pledge of Allegiance, but if we can't walk this tightrope and remain civil, I will close the thread!

 

[Benny]

The thread was about the Pledge of Allegiance, but if we can't walk this tightrope and remain civil, I will close the thread!

I honestly can't believe it has stayed open this long...It hasn't really been "on topic" for awhile.

 

[tv1217]

RABBLE RABBLE BABBLE FRABBLE

 

[Paco Bedejo]

40 years ago they would have been scorned by the public and the media. Not today.

58 years ago it would have been an entirely accurate rendition, universally accepted as respectful & patriotic.

 

[PistolBob]

58 years ago it would have been an entirely accurate rendition, universally accepted as respectful & patriotic.

The Pledge of Allegiance is what it is. It was wrong for NBC to edit it. Plain and simple. The words are the words. No one is forced to say it, or believe it, or live it.

The Knights of Columbus, among others, worked very hard to get the words "under God" added in 1954. It's an addition that stuck.

 

[Bummer]

He said (relevant portion highlighted):

Our Constitution was designed to govern every American, but it can only affect those who will allow themselves to be governed. People who are not capable of humbling themselves to another, cannot be governed by our Constitution. They will want things their way or no way at all, but will not yield to the democratic process to make changes. They will try to force change and then call themselves patriots, while comparing themselves to the Founding Fathers. I would say these are the true hypocrites that the Constitution isn't designed to govern.

So I said:

I don't know if that is quite what Adams was saying, but I'm inclined to agree.

You are talking about Tea Partiers and Historical Revisionists, right?

Then you said:

Please do elaborate..

Ok. The highlighted part pretty much describes the groups I referred to. Those groups want it their way or no way. Isn't that pretty much their whole point?

 

[Bummer]

The Pledge of Allegiance is what it is. It was wrong for NBC to edit it. Plain and simple. The words are the words. No one is forced to say it, or believe it, or live it.

The Knights of Columbus, among others, worked very hard to get the words "under God" added in 1954. It's an addition that stuck.

If it is what it is, and the words are what they are, why did a relative hand full of people feel a need to change it back in '54?

And hasn't most of the "down hill", including Ronald Reagan, taken place since it was added?

 

[Bummer]

As far as reciting The Pledge, or editing it to sound different than it was originally recorded is akin to those egotistical renditions of The National Anthem, where some moron feels it's necessary to " make the song their own" or intentionally disrespect The Anthem.

The original didn't have "under God" in it. Doesn't that mean that it's already been edited from the original? Which groups of "morons" (your choice of words, not mine) wanted to make it their own or intentionally disrespect it in '54? So far the Knights of Columbus has been named. I'm wondering just how long that list is.