My AR SBR Build-in-Progress

[esrice]

Those are just the stock photos from Noveske's site. I like the monolithic look. Also I am kinda stuck in '07 when it comes to guns.

lol @ '07

OneBadV8 is gonna be super jealous now!

Do you know what those two cuts in the front of the KX3 are for? I just read about those last night and was surprised.

 

[kevinj110]

lol @ '07

OneBadV8 is gonna be super jealous now!

Do you know what those two cuts in the front of the KX3 are for? I just read about those last night and was surprised.

I don't think I will be using the wire cutting feature of the pig but I was surprised by it as well.

 

[byggpoppa]

I might lose that race. I ordered from DSG Arms and they've been backlogged due to weather and sick employees. I told them I wasn't in a hurry so they could delay mine if necessary. We'll see!

You guys are more than welcome to blast my upper, in the interim or otherwise

 

[OneBadV8]

OneBadV8 is gonna be super jealous now!

Gonna be?

 

[esrice]

You guys are more than welcome to blast my upper, in the interim or otherwise

Noveske day at the range this summer maybe?

 

[esrice]

Gonna be?

You're already no slouch when it comes to having uber-quality gear-- I'm just trying to push you over the "buy" ledge.

 

[OneBadV8]

You're already no slouch when it comes to having uber-quality gear-- I'm just trying to push you over the "buy" ledge.

HA, thanks!

It'll be a little while, I want to buy a factory SBR from Noveske so it only has one set of serials.

Plus, I already have a Noveske on loan for a while.

 

[lovemachine]

I keep reading every post in this thread. I'm trying to figure out a way to be able to build my own SBR. The only way I'll be able to do it is if I sell stuff. And I sold everything I had to sell to get my current AR.

I guess I COULD sell my Colt 357 Mag and my current AR....

 

[OneBadV8]

I keep reading every post in this thread. I'm trying to figure out a way to be able to build my own SBR. The only way I'll be able to do it is if I sell stuff. And I sold everything I had to sell to get my current AR.

I guess I COULD sell my Colt 357 Mag and my current AR....

Could also cut bills/spending, save money and wait a year or two

 

[lovemachine]

Could also cut bills/spending, save money and wait a year or two

I wish. Wife and I already cut everything we can. Trying to be "debt free"

For me, it's either sell something or just wait and keep my fingers crossed that the day comes where I can afford one.

 

[OneBadV8]

I wish. Wife and I already cut everything we can. Trying to be "debt free"

For me, it's either sell something or just wait and keep my fingers crossed that the day comes where I can afford one.

Well, that works too. Those are the hard decisions. And if you do that you'll be without an AR for 4 Months or so until you get the NFA Forms back

 

[dubsac]

I keep reading every post in this thread. I'm trying to figure out a way to be able to build my own SBR. The only way I'll be able to do it is if I sell stuff. And I sold everything I had to sell to get my current AR.

I guess I COULD sell my Colt 357 Mag and my current AR....

your not the only one my friend, id say sell your upper and buy a sbr upper and convert your lower to a pistol, so you still can shoot it till you can afford to send out your paper work to get your stamp. Im pretty sure thats legal as long as its classified as a pistol.

 

[esrice]

I'm trying to figure out a way to be able to build my own SBR.

Something to consider--

I think its smart to keep at least one 16" AR in the stable. Reason being that they are far less "hassle" to travel with. Think you may ever want to take an out-of-state training class? Well then you're gonna have to get special federal "permission" to take that SBR out of Indiana. Taking a class in Michigan? They don't allow SBRs, so that's a no-go completely. Having a 16" AR would still allow you to participate in either scenario.

Now, you'll notice I went against the above advice and sold my only AR to help fund this SBR project. The reason I did this is because I still have ready access to 3 other 16" guns any time I should need one (thanks to loveywoods and Kr_Treefrog2).

That being said, if you were wanting to build an SBR that was quality but (relatively) inexpensive, I'd recommend the Spike's 10.5" LE upper. You can get one from AIM or Spike's with an MOE handguard complete with BCG for $500. Add in a Spike's complete lower ($275), plus tax stamp ($200), plus engraving ($50), and you're looking at a complete SBR for $1025.

Spikes Tactical 10.5" Complete Upper Receiver.

Spike's Tactical Complete Lower w/ M4 Stock [STLC200] - $275.00 : Spikes Tactical

 

[esrice]

This project needs a name. . .

So I'm screwing around with creating one.

 

[lovemachine]

Thanks again Evan! Thats something I never thought of!

 

[Hop]

Something to consider--

I think its smart to keep at least one 16" AR in the stable. Reason being that they are far less "hassle" to travel with. Think you may ever want to take an out-of-state training class? Well then you're gonna have to get special federal "permission" to take that SBR out of Indiana. Taking a class in Michigan? They don't allow SBRs, so that's a no-go completely. Having a 16" AR would still allow you to participate in either scenario...http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/spikes-tactical-complete-lower-w-m4-stock-p-86.html

Or just buy a barrel wrench an armorer's block & a 16" barrel. Removing a short barrel from an SBR, while it doesn't take it off the NFA registry is technically not an SBR. I read this on the ATF site not too long ago.

 

[esrice]

Or just buy a barrel wrench an armorer's block & a 16" barrel. Removing a short barrel from an SBR, while it doesn't take it off the NFA registry is technically not an SBR. I read this on the ATF site not too long ago.

I believe this is incorrect.

Once a lower is registered as an SBR, its always an SBR, regardless of how long the barrel on the upper is. I'm still relatively new to all these new regs, but that is how it was once explained to me.

 

[esrice]

I like this one better I think.

 

[Hop]

I believe this is incorrect.

Once a lower is registered as an SBR, its always an SBR, regardless of how long the barrel on the upper is. I'm still relatively new to all these new regs, but that is how it was once explained to me.

From here:
ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns

Q: If I remove the short barrel from my SBR or SBS, may I move the firearm across state lines without the submission of ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport or to Temporarily Export Certain Firearms?

If the registrant retains control over the parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm is still be subject to all requirements of the NFA. ATF recommends contacting law enforcement officials in the destination state to ensure compliance with state and local law.

Swap out the short barrel then sell it to me for $1. I'll sell it back to you when you get back to Indiana. Promise.

 

[esrice]

ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - National Firearms Act (NFA) - Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns

Interesting! Thanks for the link Hop!

Here is the part that interests me:

Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?

Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.

So in lovemachine's case, could he simply register his current RRA as an SBR, retain his 16" upper, and then purchase a short (SBR) upper? Then, if he wanted to "de-NFA" it, he would need to "sell" his short upper to a family member while he traveled with his 16" upper?