Mueller report delivered

[2A_Tom]

Libprogocrats and the truth.
[video=youtube;PWSx0bBiNIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs[/video]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

 

[BugI02]

What we have is a delivered report with no knowlege of what IS in it. We think we know what is NOT in it. That isn't a basis for everyone here to thump their chests and make fun of the opposition. And it isn't a basis for the opposition to make wild claims and accusations.

I will await the published report. Pretty much what I said a long time ago and didn't bother to waste electrons here speculating about it.

It could be a long wait

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...am-mueller-if-you-dont-indict-you-cant-incite

And nowhere is that intention to protect the citizenry more clear than in the rules governing grand juries. The federal justice system created grand juries so that evidence that was embarrassing or damaging to defendants could be weighed behind closed doors but never released if it did not rise to the level of provable criminality.

The Justice Department rules threaten any law enforcement officer or prosecutor with prosecution if they leak any proceeding that occurred before a grand jury. And the Justice Department rules governing grand juries unequivocally talk about the sanctity of protecting citizens who end up not being charged.

“The prosecutor must recognize that the grand jury is an independent body, whose functions include not only the investigation of crime and the initiation of criminal prosecution but also the protection of the citizenry from unfounded criminal charges,” the Justice Department rules say.

We know from statements the Justice Department made Thursday that grand jury subpoenas and testimony were so essential to the Mueller probe that nearly every one of the 400 pages of his final report contained some form of grand jury or classified information that needs to be redacted — i.e., protected from being used to level “unfounded criminal charges” against those not indicted.

 

[KG1]

It could be a long wait

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...am-mueller-if-you-dont-indict-you-cant-incite

The Democrats just want to lay eyes on the full un-redacted report to try and dig up any kind of tidbit of dirt that they can use to exploit for political purposes, even the grand jury testimony and classified information.. The Mueller report is opposition research to them.

 

[churchmouse]

The Democrats just want to lay eyes on the full un-redacted report to try and dig up any kind of tidbit of dirt that they can use to exploit for political purposes, even the grand jury testimony and classified information.. The Mueller report is opposition research to them.

That report has information on people that are not part of this 3 ring monkey circus. That info should remain private. This idiocy needs to stop. It is ripping this country apart.

 

[jamil]

Kut is correct. Today is not any different that 2 years ago when Mueller began the investigation. Until a report is available to be read, there isn't anything to debate. It's all speculation with no basis.

Incorrect. Having in the collection of facts available, a summary that Mueller has undoubtedly read and has not publicly corrected, is an indication that the summary Barr released is not materially inaccurate. You can speculate that Mueller’s silence is for other reasons than the obvious one, but then that would be speculation with no basis.

At some point given the collection of facts available, “wait for all the facts to come out” becomes a desperate plea to cling to the hope that the thing one wants to be true could still possibly be true. We saw “wait for all the facts to come out” with the Smallot truthers when sufficient facts came out to manifest his guilt.

I guess we’re gonna have to put up with some collusion truthers. Because maybe there’s a fact of hope buried in the 400 pages that makes Trump guilty of a crime. And then once the report is released it’ll be, oh, now show us all the redacted stuff. It’s there. I know it must be there somewhere. The hope I clung to for the past two years HAS to be true. CONSPIRACY!

 

[KG1]

That report has information on people that are not part of this 3 ring monkey circus. That info should remain private. This idiocy needs to stop. It is ripping this country apart.

What exactly are the Democrats doing for the good of the country right now? They've got the country in limbo trying to wreak havoc because they can't come to grips over the outcome of the 2016 election with some crazy ass, cooked up, never ending Russian "collusion" investigation that they won't let go of.

They won't do anything to help remedy the illegal immigration situation down on the southern border which is clearly starting to get out of hand. What policy proposals have they come up or got on board with for economic growth?

All they have is a whole bevy of loony ass leftist socialist candidates running for the 2020 Presidential nomination that are getting on board with unrealistic policy proposals like the New Green Deal among other things cooked up by equally loony upstart members of congress like AOC.

 

[jamil]

I still remember listening to conservative talk radio when Bill Clinton was running for re-election. The guy was saying that it'd be a shame if Clinton got elected, only to be indicted when the Starr report was released. If Clinton hadn't done them a solid by diddling an intern, they'd have gotten nothing for their money, but even so, no indictment.

I expect the same this time. Anyway, the whole point of both investigations wasn't the outcome, it's the years of distraction. Impeachment or indictment is just gravy.

No, they got their indictment of Clinton in the form of impeachment. And he was found guilty of perjury. But Republicans did not have the political capital to remove him from office. All they got was the senate voting to censure Clinton, and take his license to practice law.

But it cost Republicans politically.

 

[stephennovak21]

Not sure why everyone wants the full report. I am sure there is plenty of "opinion" in there that people will take as fact.

 

[jamil]

Not sure why everyone wants the full report. I am sure there is plenty of "opinion" in there that people will take as fact.

That’s presumably why it would be heavily redacted. To remove descriptions of unsupported accusations.

But unsupported is proof enough in the minds of deluded people.

 

[jbombelli]

Not sure why everyone wants the full report. I am sure there is plenty of "opinion" in there that people will take as fact.

Because never-Trumpers gonna never-Trump. They hope to find embarrassing things they can use in the upcoming election season.

 

[KellyinAvon]

That report has information on people that are not part of this 3 ring monkey circus. That info should remain private. This idiocy needs to stop. It is ripping this country apart.

The spokesman for the 3 Ring Monkey Circuses of America called. He said that was insulting to the monkeys.

 

[2A_Tom]

Just an aside, This is the first time I have heard a lot of INGO complain about gridlock.

I hate the never-ending attacks on Mr.Trump, but he is still moving forward. He is actually the only (he is not really a politician) elected official that has stuck to his agenda and tried to keep his promises.

I like gridlock.

 

[KG1]

Just an aside, This is the first time I have heard a lot of INGO complain about gridlock.

I hate the never-ending attacks on Mr.Trump, but he is still moving forward. He is actually the only (he is not really a politician) elected official that has stuck to his agenda and tried to keep his promises.

I like gridlock.

Trump is trying to get things done. The Democrats are busy trying to “brain storm” untenable ideas like the “New Green Deal”

 

[2A_Tom]

They are losing on every front and it is pleasant to watch.

However, it is difficult to watch the "tolerance" of the radical #resist left.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

That’s presumably why it would be heavily redacted. To remove descriptions of unsupported accusations.

But unsupported is proof enough in the minds of deluded people.

Exhibit A: the pee-pee memo.

 

[Ingomike]

The special counsel law was changed after the Starr report and by law it is submitted to the AG and anything beyond that is up to the AG's discretion. The AG must himself follow law requiring grand jury secrecy so anything released, as others have said, will be heavily redacted.

Then the cry will be "but we did not get to see the whole report" ad nauseam...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Incorrect. Having in the collection of facts available, a summary that Mueller has undoubtedly read and has not publicly corrected, is an indication that the summary Barr released is not materially inaccurate. You can speculate that Mueller’s silence is for other reasons than the obvious one, but then that would be speculation with no basis.

At some point given the collection of facts available, “wait for all the facts to come out” becomes a desperate plea to cling to the hope that the thing one wants to be true could still possibly be true. We saw “wait for all the facts to come out” with the Smallot truthers when sufficient facts came out to manifest his guilt.

I guess we’re gonna have to put up with some collusion truthers. Because maybe there’s a fact of hope buried in the 400 pages that makes Trump guilty of a crime. And then once the report is released it’ll be, oh, now show us all the redacted stuff. It’s there. I know it must be there somewhere. The hope I clung to for the past two years HAS to be true. CONSPIRACY!

Is it materially inaccurate to say that Obama did good things while president? Omission is often used to avoid telling the full story.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's not accurate.... Mueller neither returned, nor recommended, indictments on either collusion or obstruction.

While correct, that is not clear that Mueller would not have done so given DoJ policy. The policy that states that the DoJ doesn't indict sitting presidents. So, once again were at the "wait and see" crossroads.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

While correct, that is not clear that Mueller would not have done so given DoJ policy. The policy that states that the DoJ doesn't indict sitting presidents. So, once again were at the "wait and see" crossroads.

That policy doesn't include indicting members of his campaign however. Still nada. The only indictments were for things neither related to the campaign, nor collusion with Russia. So what exactly are we waiting for?