Man points gun at cop's head, gets shot. Missouri

[DRob]

Got this in an email recently. I'll just drop it off here.............

Now let me see if I have this right. The family situation is so unstable, 'Junior' doesn't even know where to send a Father's Day card.

There's no guidance or discipline in the home. Junior gets dumped into the education system where he is socially promoted because the overwhelmed school district can't deal with the undisciplined whelp. Junior's major formative influences are 'gangsta' rap videos and a corresponding peer group of gangsta wannabes.

At age 18, Junior is turned loose on society carrying a bad attitude, a broken compass, and little respect for authority. Junior gets himself in big trouble with the law and meets dire consequences. Then, the situational diagnosis is that the police need more training and understanding?

Pardon me for asking, but do you really believe that BULL****?

 

[88GT]

That's you job as a parent. You only illustrate my point; it all starts at home. If you raise a child right, he could read the collected works of Adolph Hitler, Kublai Khan, Stalin, Mao and still have a strong enough moral code to understand their words were nonsense. Very entertaining, but nonsense nonetheless.

Not my point. Not exactly anyway. My point was that the decisions of the parents reflect the priorities and values of the parents.

 

[cop car]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

...........

Gotcha covered.

 

[freekforge]

The video of the domestic terrorists throwing explosive devices at the officers instantly infuriated me those officers have an incredible amount of restraint.


FWIW i believe there is a rapper that was a former corrections officer with an excellent work record, can't recall his name though . that being said i cant stand rap.

 

[mrortega]

How on earth could this young man pull a gun on a cop? He had to be incredibly stupid or doped up. What could his thought process have been? Cop, don't like, pull gun, point - then what? Shoot? Cop backs off and everything goes back to normal?

 

[Kutnupe14]

The video of the domestic terrorists throwing explosive devices at the officers instantly infuriated me those officers have an incredible amount of restraint.


FWIW i believe there is a rapper that was a former corrections officer with an excellent work record, can't recall his name though . that being said i cant stand rap.

Rick Ross....

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How on earth could this young man pull a gun on a cop? He had to be incredibly stupid or doped up. What could his thought process have been? Cop, don't like, pull gun, point - then what? Shoot? Cop backs off and everything goes back to normal?

Or he thought he would win the gunfight.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Or he thought he would win the gunfight.

I just looked at the released crime scene photos. The weapon is a highpoint. The thumb safety is still on. The reasonable conclusion is he pulled and tried to fire but couldn't because of the thumb safety.

 

[OakRiver]

I think that injecting the issue of rap into this discussion is about as useful as the ever popular blaming video games for school shootings. If there was any effect then it was likely to be so minor as to be not worth discussing

 

[churchmouse]

Got this in an email recently. I'll just drop it off here.............

Now let me see if I have this right. The family situation is so unstable, 'Junior' doesn't even know where to send a Father's Day card.

There's no guidance or discipline in the home. Junior gets dumped into the education system where he is socially promoted because the overwhelmed school district can't deal with the undisciplined whelp. Junior's major formative influences are 'gangsta' rap videos and a corresponding peer group of gangsta wannabes.

At age 18, Junior is turned loose on society carrying a bad attitude, a broken compass, and little respect for authority. Junior gets himself in big trouble with the law and meets dire consequences. Then, the situational diagnosis is that the police need more training and understanding?

Pardon me for asking, but do you really believe that BULL****?

Bingo

 

[churchmouse]

I think that injecting the issue of rap into this discussion is about as useful as the ever popular blaming video games for school shootings. If there was any effect then it was likely to be so minor as to be not worth discussing

When a much younger man I was influenced heavily by the music of my time. I was involved in the garage band circuit of the time and did play but again, there was a heavy influence. Very heavy. I and my compatriots all wore the uniform of the times as set forth in that music.
Thing is, none of the lyrics promoted smash and grabs, rape's, killing at any level. They did promote Sex Drugs alcohol and more Rock and roll. And yes, we fell right into lock step.

I am just saying that music, gaming, life style has heavy influence on the young weak minded teens with little if any direction. Music may not be the root cause but is is a contributing factor.

 

[OakRiver]

When a much younger man I was influenced heavily by the music of my time. I was involved in the garage band circuit of the time and did play but again, there was a heavy influence. Very heavy. I and my compatriots all wore the uniform of the times as set forth in that music.
Thing is, none of the lyrics promoted smash and grabs, rape's, killing at any level. They did promote Sex Drugs alcohol and more Rock and roll. And yes, we fell right into lock step.

I am just saying that music, gaming, life style has heavy influence on the young weak minded teens with little if any direction. Music may not be the root cause but is is a contributing factor.

I'm not saying that the music may not entirely be a factor, in my opinion it is probably such a minor factor compared with other influences.

 

[straight-shooter]

Anyone here remember the massive rioting after OJ's acquittal ? Yeah, me neither. Just sayin'.

 

[printcraft]

I just looked at the released crime scene photos. The weapon is a highpoint. The thumb safety is still on. The reasonable conclusion is he pulled and tried to fire but couldn't because of the thumb safety.

So, had the moron pulling the gun not been so much of a moron there would have been another dead cop.
The only reason he didn't shoot was because he couldn't.
Divine intervention, luck, what have you.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

When a much younger man I was influenced heavily by the music of my time. I was involved in the garage band circuit of the time and did play but again, there was a heavy influence. Very heavy. I and my compatriots all wore the uniform of the times as set forth in that music.
Thing is, none of the lyrics promoted smash and grabs, rape's, killing at any level. They did promote Sex Drugs alcohol and more Rock and roll. And yes, we fell right into lock step.

I am just saying that music, gaming, life style has heavy influence on the young weak minded teens with little if any direction. Music may not be the root cause but is is a contributing factor.

I'm not sure where I heard this saying but I believe it to be generally true: That which we gaze upon, we tend to become.

 

[mrortega]

I just looked at the released crime scene photos. The weapon is a highpoint. The thumb safety is still on. The reasonable conclusion is he pulled and tried to fire but couldn't because of the thumb safety.

That's the only good thing about a Hi-Point. That and you can use it to split firewood with a wedge.

 

[mrortega]

Or he thought he would win the gunfight.

Ya think he thought he could just walk away after shooting a cop? Again, complete failure of the logic system. Another person obviously not receiving complete control wiring before birth. Or mom was standing up when she delivered him. That would explain a lot.

 

[BogWalker]

To say music has no affect is to say no outside influence has any affect. Music is no different than peer groups and parents. Just different ways of presenting ideas to an individual. The difference comes in how the individual processes those ideas and fits them into his personal belief system. I could listen to the most vulgar stuff imaginable, but if I have an utter disdain for it it isn't going to change me.

We're born a blank slate. We grow to be the sum of our influences. The responsibility of the parent isn't to be the sole influence, but rather to set the groundwork for how other influences are processed. My parents taught me not to drink, and it stuck. I can be around people drinking and not be tempted because previous influence has dissuaded me. If my parents had told me underage drinking was all right then it would be a different story. I know people who have grown up like this.

The problem isn't "gangsta rap" in and of itself. A well-rounded individual could listen to nothing but that stuff and still have a healthy respect for the police if his other influences encouraged it. The problem is that people such as Antonio Martin have been told by not only music, but by their parents, their peers, and their role models not to have respect for the police. That influence took root because it was the prevailing influence. There was nothing there to teach him better.

In the end though, we can't point fingers. The final decision was his and his alone. We are each responsible for our own actions.

 

[mrortega]

I just looked at the released crime scene photos. The weapon is a highpoint. The thumb safety is still on. The reasonable conclusion is he pulled and tried to fire but couldn't because of the thumb safety.

Can you provide a source of link. I googled it and could only find the store video.