Kroger is now off my list of stores

[tv1217]

All the times I've bought alcohol, tobacco and most non-opiate prescriptions anywhere they always type it in but I wouldn't really care if they did scan it.

HOWEVER, trolling people in real life is also incredibly fun so I'd bring my passport for gits and shiggles because it's the single most valid form of ID you can have while at the same time their system is probably only set up to scan state IDs

 

[snapping turtle]

Kroger story from several years ago.

Lady I know was married to an alcoholic and she herself did not drink.i am sure she did but because he got so bad she could not.

Kroger had the best deal on half gallon whiskey (which the sale price only worked if you use the Kroger card) he preferred to drink daily to his limits which were large maybe every two days on a half gallon. Thus 3/4 half gallon a week were purchased using the Kroger card. Maybe high as he would often buy for himself but a high amount of whisky purchased.

While shopping she slipped on a spilled or leaking source of water. She broke a hip (62 years old and on a bone density medication).

Needless to say Kroger lawyer's attempted to use the purchases to make it seem she fell while under the influence. He lawyer was good and since she had surgery for the hip within 90 minutes of the fall a toxically screen was preformed.

Kroger used her purchase records in court paperwork filed against her. Judgement was good for her but had the lawyer not been on the case or below average and not read the paperwork then the judgement may have gone the other way.

I don't think I have used any store loyalty card since. Nor will I allow scanning of my ID for ammo/tobacco/beverage/plant based intoxicatant purchases. I also pay in cash for many things and my phone for others. You can not beat the convenience. So I figure they know where I have been since about 1989 as I used to use my card for all purchases

 

[cosermann]

Was on vacation in a different state over the weekend. Dude in front of me was CLEARLY in his LATE 70's, if not EIGHTIES. Has to show his I.D. I'm thinking - this is what our society has come to - carding great grandfathers to buy alcohol.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Was on vacation in a different state over the weekend. Dude in front of me was CLEARLY in his LATE 70's, if not EIGHTIES. Has to show his I.D. I'm thinking - this is what our society has come to - carding great grandfathers to buy alcohol.

And its not them, its management. Numerous times Ive been told "May I see your ID? (I know you are of age) Its just for the cameras."

 

[Ingomike]

Was on vacation in a different state over the weekend. Dude in front of me was CLEARLY in his LATE 70's, if not EIGHTIES. Has to show his I.D. I'm thinking - this is what our society has come to - carding great grandfathers to buy alcohol.

Have heard some retailers insurance requires carding all customers, also sometimes the employees fail, get caught, and the company reacts by requiring employees to card everyone. Not sure if a company that gets caught falling to check those required by law might be required to do so when being on probation etc.

 

[PGRChaplain]

What do they do when an Amish man wants a 6 Pack?

 

[jkaetz]

Kroger story from several years ago.

Lady I know was married to an alcoholic and she herself did not drink.i am sure she did but because he got so bad she could not.

Kroger had the best deal on half gallon whiskey (which the sale price only worked if you use the Kroger card) he preferred to drink daily to his limits which were large maybe every two days on a half gallon. Thus 3/4 half gallon a week were purchased using the Kroger card. Maybe high as he would often buy for himself but a high amount of whisky purchased.

While shopping she slipped on a spilled or leaking source of water. She broke a hip (62 years old and on a bone density medication).

Needless to say Kroger lawyer's attempted to use the purchases to make it seem she fell while under the influence. He lawyer was good and since she had surgery for the hip within 90 minutes of the fall a toxically screen was preformed.

Kroger used her purchase records in court paperwork filed against her. Judgement was good for her but had the lawyer not been on the case or below average and not read the paperwork then the judgement may have gone the other way.

I don't think I have used any store loyalty card since. Nor will I allow scanning of my ID for ammo/tobacco/beverage/plant based intoxicatant purchases. I also pay in cash for many things and my phone for others. You can not beat the convenience. So I figure they know where I have been since about 1989 as I used to use my card for all purchases

Do you pay cash for everything? If not they're still tracking your purchases.

 

[firecadet613]

Do you pay cash for everything? If not they're still tracking your purchases.

Not just that, unless you leave your cell phone in your car, they're tracking your dwell time in the store and can likely tell which aisle are busiest when...

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not just that, unless you leave your cell phone in your car, they're tracking your dwell time in the store and can likely tell which aisle are busiest when...

Maybe. They know what that phone is doing. But they dont know who it belongs to. thats the key.

Unless you are running a store app there is no way to tie the device to the customer.

And unless you are using Apple's new mac randomizer. that causes your phone to present a different fake hardware ID when it is pinged, or when it pings surrounding wireless APs to know what is available.

 

[firecadet613]

Maybe. They know what that phone is doing. But they dont know who it belongs to. thats the key.

Not maybe, they are. They don't know who the phone belongs to, but they're tracking phones. All major retailers are... phone data is BIG business.

Unless you are running a store app there is no way to tie the device to the customer.

They don't necessarily need single consumer data, they'll happily take the bulk info on where folks go, dwell time, etc. Plenty of folks have the app or a shoppers card though.

I'm not worried about it, but I see the data in my day to day. An implanted chip isn't needed when you've got a phone in your pocket all day...

 

[Ingomike]

Maybe. They know what that phone is doing. But they dont know who it belongs to. thats the key.

There is a lot of data for sale, don’t be too confident they are not buying phone company data as a “partner”…

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not maybe, they are. They don't know who the phone belongs to, but they're tracking phones. All major retailers are... phone data is BIG business.

They don't necessarily need single consumer data, they'll happily take the bulk info on where folks go, dwell time, etc. Plenty of folks have the app or a shoppers card though.

I'm not worried about it, but I see the data in my day to day. An implanted chip isn't needed when you've got a phone in your pocket all day...

I know they are. I run Wireless APs that have those analytics packages in them. It got a LOT less usefull when they put the randomizers on the phones. Before, a store could gather basic intel like anonymous shopper patterns, but it was only good for generalized marketing. it had no bearing on CM or firecadet As individuals.

Now every time a device pings the surrounding space my end sees it as a different device. So instead of seeing two devices in my location drift around to 25 locations as usable data, I now see 50 unique devices each in a different location over time. I can no longer track anything but old androids.

 

[firecadet613]

I know they are. I run Wireless APs that have those analytics packages in them. It got a LOT less usefull when they put the randomizers on the phones. Before, a store could gather basic intel like anonymous shopper patterns, but it was only good for generalized marketing. it had no bearing on CM or firecadet As individuals.

Now every time a device pings the surrounding space my end sees it as a different device. So instead of seeing two devices in my location drift around to 25 locations as usable data, I now see 50 unique devices each in a different location over time. I can no longer track anything but old androids.

I wonder how this will play into GPS phone locating and big brother tracking...

 

[Cameramonkey]

I wonder how this will play into GPS phone locating and big brother tracking...

No change. What I am talking about only stops private WIFI network operators like a Starbucks tracking unique devices (not named users) around their facilities and showing general patterns.

 

[firecadet613]

No change. What I am talking about only stops private WIFI network operators like a Starbucks tracking unique devices (not named users) around their facilities and showing general patterns.

Ah, makes sense. My data is off cellular network pings, not wifi data.

If someone has their wifi turned off, none of what you're discussing applies?

 

[Creedmoor]

What do they do when an Amish man wants a 6 Pack?

He pulls out his State ID and hands it to them.
I see Yoders at the Casino horse track betting, Hospitals, auctions, gun stores, it's needed to get and keep your ag chemical licenses and many other places you have to have proper ID to enter.
I believe they use the live birth that are written in the family bibles to help get a State ID.
Lots of Amish around my family's farm.
The adult men all have State ID.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Ah, makes sense. My data is off cellular network pings, not wifi data.

If someone has their wifi turned off, none of what you're discussing applies?

Depends. My phone has an option to turn on WiFi when it detects a saved one. Which means that the WiFi is "off" but still sends out pingś.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

He pulls out his State ID and hands it to them.
I see Yoders at the Casino horse track betting, Hospitals, auctions, gun stores, it's needed to get and keep your ag chemical licenses and many other places you have to have proper ID to enter.
I believe they use the live birth that are written in the family bibles to help get a State ID.
Lots of Amish around my family's farm.
The adult men all have State ID.

Except they don't have to have their photo on it. Muslim women can also wear their niqab for their photo.

Identification Cards

www.in.gov

 

[firecadet613]

Depends. My phone has an option to turn on WiFi when it detects a saved one. Which means that the WiFi is "off" but still sends out pingś.

Good call. Ever since they started coming with built in batteries, can you ever turn them off? (Or fully disable wifi).

 

[Timjoebillybob]

My local Kroger has gotten bad about this. One even told me it was the law.

Kroger story from several years ago.

Lady I know was married to an alcoholic and she herself did not drink.i am sure she did but because he got so bad she could not.

Kroger had the best deal on half gallon whiskey (which the sale price only worked if you use the Kroger card) he preferred to drink daily to his limits which were large maybe every two days on a half gallon. Thus 3/4 half gallon a week were purchased using the Kroger card. Maybe high as he would often buy for himself but a high amount of whisky purchased.

While shopping she slipped on a spilled or leaking source of water. She broke a hip (62 years old and on a bone density medication).

Needless to say Kroger lawyer's attempted to use the purchases to make it seem she fell while under the influence. He lawyer was good and since she had surgery for the hip within 90 minutes of the fall a toxically screen was preformed.

Kroger used her purchase records in court paperwork filed against her. Judgement was good for her but had the lawyer not been on the case or below average and not read the paperwork then the judgement may have gone the other way.

I don't think I have used any store loyalty card since. Nor will I allow scanning of my ID for ammo/tobacco/beverage/plant based intoxicatant purchases. I also pay in cash for many things and my phone for others. You can not beat the convenience. So I figure they know where I have been since about 1989 as I used to use my card for all purchases

I'm assuming ththis wasn't in IN. They are not allowed to require loyalty cards for sale price on alcohol, nor can they give points or other perks on them.