Kroger is now off my list of stores

[Rookie]

Yes. Doesnt even say it must be entered in. The entry is a CYA to prove they checked and to theoretically force the check vs the cashier telling the manager "yes, I check everyone" even when they dont.

Saying "its the law" seems to be the thing the cool kids do to shut up the ignorant masses that dare to push back. "Oh, he said its the law, so I need to stop pushing him because he didnt make the decision and it is not his decision. They have no choice, its not their fault. Its THE MAN causing the problems."

Whenever someone tells me, "it's the law" I always ask them to tell me which law they are talking about. To date, I've only had one person who was able to answer with an actual law, and she was from OSHA. Everyone else stutters and tries to bluff their way through.

For clarity, I don't challenge police officers. With them, my goal is to make the encounter as brief as possible.

 

[EyeCarry]

[FONT=&amp]I coulndt resist, so I replied a second time:


Let me save you the time Michael.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]https://www.in.gov/atc/isep/2384.htm[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Alcohol Laws[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The Excise Police would like you to know...[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&amp]Indiana law requires permittees and their employees to check identification of any person under the age of 40 when conducting carryout sales[/FONT][FONT=&amp]. While there is no similar ID requirement law for on-premise consumption, the Excise Police encourage requiring identification from anyone appearing under 26 years of age when making sales for on-premise consumption. Acceptable forms of identification are picture ID's, including but not limited to, a driver's license, state-issued ID card, US Government identification. REMEMBER: If you still question the age of the person you should refuse to serve them.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]You are either a) misinformed, or b) told by your superiors to say this. Either way, you now have the facts and can decide what to do now.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Respectfully,[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Xyz Xyz[/FONT]

 

[Cameramonkey]

Took a while, but I found it.

IC 7.1-5-10-23 Purchases for consumption off the licensed premises; proof of age
Sec. 23. It is a Class C infraction for a permittee or an employee or agent of a permittee to recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally sell, barter, exchange, provide, or furnish another person who is or reasonably appears to be less than forty (40) years of age an alcoholic beverage for consumption off the licensed premises without first requiring the person to produce:

(1) a driver's license;

(2) an identification card issued under IC 9-24-16-1 or a similar card issued under the laws of another state or the federal government; or

(3) a government issued document;

bearing the person's photograph and birth date showing that the person is at least twenty-one (21) years of age.

As added by P.L.10-2010, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.216-2011, SEC.3; P.L.32-2019, SEC.16.


I dont see the word scan or even entered in there anywhere.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Whenever someone tells me, "it's the law" I always ask them to tell me which law they are talking about. To date, I've only had one person who was able to answer with an actual law, and she was from OSHA. Everyone else stutters and tries to bluff their way through.

For clarity, I don't challenge police officers. With them, my goal is to make the encounter as brief as possible.

Agreed. With LEO its typically Yes sir, No sir. On the side of the road is no place to argue the law. I'm speaking directly to civilians being buttheads and trying to end the argument by citing non existent law in hopes we take their statement at face value.

 

[Ziggidy]

next time ask for their DL. If they need to prove you are good to buy then it seems appropriate the they are legal to sell. After all, you do not want to buy from someone underage.

 

[tsm]

Bought beer at a Kroger about three days ago. I clearly don’t appear under 40, and all the checkout clerk did was ask for my birth date which she typed into her terminal. No scanning or even looking at my DL, just the single question and acceptance of my verbal answer. That didn’t seem too onerous, IMHO.

 

[JettaKnight]

Got carded at Meijer last night (rare for me)... she typed in the DOB... never touched my ID...


Y'all shopping at the wrong place. Kroger sucks for manifold reasons.

 

[Thor]

Sounds to me like a lot of the issues are cropping up around places where there might be a fair amount of fake IDs.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Well, this is a bummer. I guess I can kind of understand where they're coming from if the credit/debit card companies charge them a percentage of the transaction amount, and it's still cheaper than an ATM, but... Oh, and I didn't even know about the $3.50 charge for cash back over $100. Most I usually get is $40 (free until this goes into effect).

https://www.wthr.com/article/kroger...VkfJwHttPwWFKYWgAiuBQDdAyFS7rFw2yEwFauIDpjsFQ

 

[KittySlayer]

Got carded at Meijer last night (rare for me)... she typed in the DOB... never touched my ID...

I bought wine at Meijer this week at the self checkout. Young woman (20?) came over with her magic card and secret code number to log in. She looked at me like she was waiting for an ID, I did not reach for my wallet, she pressed the button on the screen that read "Over 40" and I completed my transaction.

They actually had a button on the alcohol screen for the employee approval that said "Over 40".

 

[MCgrease08]

Well, this is a bummer. I guess I can kind of understand where they're coming from if the credit/debit card companies charge them a percentage of the transaction amount, and it's still cheaper than an ATM, but... Oh, and I didn't even know about the $3.50 charge for cash back over $100. Most I usually get is $40 (free until this goes into effect).

https://www.wthr.com/article/kroger...VkfJwHttPwWFKYWgAiuBQDdAyFS7rFw2yEwFauIDpjsFQ

Banks got to get their cut.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Banks got to get their cut.

Sounds like the banks already were... Kroger wanted to take some of it back (from the customers). Like I said, I can't really blame them if the banks are charging them based on the amount of the total transaction. Still kinda sucky. Don't get the ATM charge or the fee for too many ATM withdrawals (from my credit union) when I do the cash back option at Kroger or other stores.

 

[rhino]

I bought wine at Meijer this week at the self checkout. Young woman (20?) came over with her magic card and secret code number to log in. She looked at me like she was waiting for an ID, I did not reach for my wallet, she pressed the button on the screen that read "Over 40" and I completed my transaction.

They actually had a button on the alcohol screen for the employee approval that said "Over 40".

When I'm there, there is an additional button that says, "Over 40, fat, lazy, and stupid."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

When I'm there, there is an additional button that says, "Over 40, fat, lazy, and stupid."

"That's no way to go through life son." - (paraphrased) Dean Wormer

 

[MCgrease08]

When I'm there, there is an additional button that says, "Over 40, fat, lazy, and stupid."

C'mon, don't be so hard on yourself. You're not lazy.

 

[rhino]

C'mon, don't be so hard on yourself. You're not lazy.

Au contraire! My laziness is the stuff of legends!

 

[Cameramonkey]

Maybe Kroger really DOES capture all of your data. Tried to grab beer while traveling on business up here in Toledo. They were the quickest right turn so I took a chance.

Cashier took the handheld scanner, scanned her ID to put it in assist mode, then quickly tried to surreptitiously scan the ID from behind as I showed her the date on the front. (Sorry toots, my fingers are covering it on accident.) I asked politely not to scan. "can I swipe it across the other scanner instead?" DAFUQ? Like that makes any difference? I made it a point to be very polite and kind with my response instead of what first came to mind. I chose "no, thank you. Can you just type my birthdate on the screen?"


She refused the sale, so I asked to speak to a manager. "the closest thing is him" and pointed at the guy at the service desk with a line 8 deep. "Yeah. Its not that important. I'll just go next door and buy from them. Thank you for your time. Have a good night. " Gas stations in sane states actually sell cold beer. But I wanted one other grocery item so I stopped there.

I got to the hotel and decided to be a squeaky wheel and send them a message clarifying whether its now truly a requirement, or if they just need to better train their employees. IF its truly a requirement now, I'll move on.

I suspect they may be capturing all your data. Here is why. I literally could not submit the email form without either giving them my phone number or loyalty card number. Its impossible to submit an "anonymous" contact us and use a potentially burner email to interact. I couldnt even complain without providing positive ID. So they may really want to capture any and all info they can. They seem to be addicted to capturing personal information. Hmmmm.

Or maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight.

 

[WebSnyper]

Maybe Kroger really DOES capture all of your data. Tried to grab beer while traveling on business up here in Toledo. They were the quickest right turn so I took a chance.

Cashier took the handheld scanner, scanned her ID to put it in assist mode, then quickly tried to surreptitiously scan the ID from behind as I showed her the date on the front. (Sorry toots, my fingers are covering it on accident.) I asked politely not to scan. "can I swipe it across the other scanner instead?" DAFUQ? Like that makes any difference? I made it a point to be very polite and kind with my response instead of what first came to mind. I chose "no, thank you. Can you just type my birthdate on the screen?"


She refused the sale, so I asked to speak to a manager. "the closest thing is him" and pointed at the guy at the service desk with a line 8 deep. "Yeah. Its not that important. I'll just go next door and buy from them. Thank you for your time. Have a good night. " Gas stations in sane states actually sell cold beer. But I wanted one other grocery item so I stopped there.

I got to the hotel and decided to be a squeaky wheel and send them a message clarifying whether its now truly a requirement, or if they just need to better train their employees. IF its truly a requirement now, I'll move on.

I suspect they may be capturing all your data. Here is why. I literally could not submit the email form without either giving them my phone number or loyalty card number. Its impossible to submit an "anonymous" contact us and use a potentially burner email to interact. I couldnt even complain without providing positive ID. So they may really want to capture any and all info they can. They seem to be addicted to capturing personal information. Hmmmm.

Or maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight.

Are they going to use the phone number as the means by which they contact you back? If not, 123-456-7890

 

[Cameramonkey]

Are they going to use the phone number as the means by which they contact you back? If not, 123-456-7890

I specifically selected "email reply" so they didnt NEED my phone number.

I used the hollywood phone number since it would not accept the submit without it. 123-555-1212

I should have looked up the local kroger phone number and used it instead.

 

[edporch]

Maybe Kroger really DOES capture all of your data. Tried to grab beer while traveling on business up here in Toledo. They were the quickest right turn so I took a chance.

Cashier took the handheld scanner, scanned her ID to put it in assist mode, then quickly tried to surreptitiously scan the ID from behind as I showed her the date on the front. (Sorry toots, my fingers are covering it on accident.) I asked politely not to scan. "can I swipe it across the other scanner instead?" DAFUQ? Like that makes any difference? I made it a point to be very polite and kind with my response instead of what first came to mind. I chose "no, thank you. Can you just type my birthdate on the screen?"


She refused the sale, so I asked to speak to a manager. "the closest thing is him" and pointed at the guy at the service desk with a line 8 deep. "Yeah. Its not that important. I'll just go next door and buy from them. Thank you for your time. Have a good night. " Gas stations in sane states actually sell cold beer. But I wanted one other grocery item so I stopped there.

I got to the hotel and decided to be a squeaky wheel and send them a message clarifying whether its now truly a requirement, or if they just need to better train their employees. IF its truly a requirement now, I'll move on.

I suspect they may be capturing all your data. Here is why. I literally could not submit the email form without either giving them my phone number or loyalty card number. Its impossible to submit an "anonymous" contact us and use a potentially burner email to interact. I couldnt even complain without providing positive ID. So they may really want to capture any and all info they can. They seem to be addicted to capturing personal information. Hmmmm.

Or maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight.

Plus some places try the BS that the law says they have to card everybody.
When it actually says card anybody who looks younger than 40.

I refuse to let any place scan my drivers license, at most I'll hold it firmly in my hand and let them look at it.
Especially when I'm WAY over 40 years old.