Just sold a case of PMC X-tac on GBR for $1200

[U.S. Patriot]

The individual that paid that price is a moron!

 

[hornadylnl]

My my.

Some of you folks are quite touchy when your publicly POSTED actions are commented on or questioned, eh?

I thought this was a discussion forum?

No touchier than the price police who aren't buying and selling but still feel its their business to control what others are doing.

 

[hornadylnl]

The individual that paid that price is a moron!

I think a lot of people are morons for what they spend their money on or how much they pay for it. I'd spend $1200 on a case of ammo before I'd spend $100 on a nose bleed ticket to a sporting event. That's the beautiful thing about capitalism. Buyers and sellers are free to do with their property how they see fit. Unfortunately there will always be those socialists who are neither the buyer or seller who feel its their business to to intervene in that transaction. Since when are gun owners entitled to another's property at prices the buyer deems appropriate?

 

[hornadylnl]

Bwframe, you haven't posted a wts ad since 12/18. If you aren't selling your stuff at prices you deem appropriate, where do you get off expecting others to do so?

 

[sig1473]

I enjoy how others get on their high horses and preach to the masses about how morally wrong it is sell something at a profit. Who sets the current prices? That is pretty easy to figure out. I'm sure there are more then quite a few on here who have bought a gun for said price and then sold it a couple of years later for a profit. I hope everyone who is bellyaching about the guy making a profit doesn't invest in the stock market. If you do, you won't be making much money. That is my two pennies............keep 'em they are free.

 

[Skip]

Haven't bought a case of ammo in my life, that I can recall. Loaded several though!

If you don't want to pay the high prices that come along with shortages, reload or handload. I pay attention to what is going on in the world around me. When I see things on the horizon that could affect my ability to get components to make ammunition, I buy then. Before everyone gets into crisis mode.

Now, it is too late until the frenzy dies down. If you can wait, wait, unless you have unlimited resources and buy then.

I also cast my own bullets and while I cannot get full performance from my high powered rifles with them, they will go bang and be pretty deadly up to 100 yards so.......

In my opinion, and I know most folks don't put much stock in that, you should be able to reload your own ammo should the need arise. Even if it is just a simple hand tool for use only when things get super bad, you need to know how to do it.

Then, if you see liberals getting a firmer grip on things which causes the progun part of our society to go nuts, stock up ahead of time on ammo or components. You will be able to save money and have what you want before you need it.

 

[LarryC]

You should be real proud of yourself.

Kind of a snide remark. I totally disagree with your opinion. We do have a free country (yet) and a free market. I don't fault anyone for paying X$ for any item - if it is worth it to them - more power to them. NOR do I fault anyone for selling anything they own for X$. Was any force or threats used? HelX, if I had plenty of money and no firearms, I would pay whatever it cost to obtain one if I felt they might ban them. Same for ammo. Seems to me the only ones sucking sour grapes are those that wanted to buy something (didn't buy it when it was cheap and stock it) and now the price is high due to all these "STUPID" (your inference) buyers. No, I don't "need" anything - been stocking for many years. Do I think the buyer got took? NO, he probably sleeps better at night knowing he has the ammo. Will it be cheaper later, sure maybe in 2 to 6 months - probably back to near pre-panic prices. The buyer may "lose" half or more of the value of the ammo, if he wanted to re-sell. The dollars may not mean anything to him. But its no skin off any ones back but his. This roller coaster of prices happens to many items - sometimes the market never returns to "normal" dependent on Government interference. I own several firearms as a collector. They were in my opinion purchased at a good price and at the time purchased I believed they would increase in value. Sometime my son's will hopefully benefit. Will I sell them at "your" price - Ain't no way. They will be sold at the highest price the market will bear. (Just like they were priced when I bought them).

 

[bwframe]

No touchier than the price police who aren't buying and selling but still feel its their business to control what others are doing.

Bwframe, you haven't posted a wts ad since 12/18. If you aren't selling your stuff at prices you deem appropriate, where do you get off expecting others to do so?

I'm not selling anything, nor am I expecting anything. I'm just asking questions on a DISCUSSION FORUM. FYI - that is what we do here - DISCUSS.

My apologies if the questions I ask are somehow touchy or bothersome or annoying or difficult or uncomfortable for you to answer. If that is the case, maybe you should look at the way you handle things and or post about them on this discussion forum?

 

[hornadylnl]

I'm not selling anything, nor am I expecting anything. I'm just asking questions on a DISCUSSION FORUM. FYI - that is what we do here - DISCUSS.

My apologies if the questions I ask are somehow touchy or bothersome or annoying or difficult or uncomfortable for you to answer. If that is the case, maybe you should look at the way you handle things and or post about them on this discussion forum?

What's wrong with discussing about the socialists among us? We can't discuss that on a discussion forum? You and the rest of the anti gougers aren't merely trying to discuss prices. The net affect is that you drive sellers that would normally sell their items here to gunbroker, arms list or other sites. A seller sees the shortage of 22 ammo so he decides he'll sell the bulk pack he paid $20 for $30. You and the rest of the bullies will be along in 2 seconds flat to complain about how he's gouging the poor, downtrodden and new shooters and announce to the world that you'll no longer do business with him. All the while you never had the first intention of buying it any way. Potential sellers see the bullying so they sell their **** elsewhere for even more money to people that don't ****, moan, and complain. The net affect of you and others actions is that there is less supply in the INGO classifieds. You can call it discussion all you want. I and I'm sure others can see through it.


ETA: if you truly sympathize for those who are without, why don't you sell some of your stuff at normal prices instead of demanding others do to do it? How are your actions any different than the liberal who sees a poor person and demands others help the poor through taxation instead of reaching into his own pocket?

 

[LarryC]

Supply and demand and price curves are a natural rationing system. When .223 goes to $12/round I guarantee there will be some on the shelves if you really need it. I think a gas pump should be programmed to start raising prices when the tank gets to 20% supply. Thenthe last 100 gallons should sell for $100/gallon or whatever it takes to ensure that there is always 10 gallons to sell. This stops the hoarders from going nuts during evacuation time and you only buy enough gas to get where you're going, not to fill every can you own.

The retailer is expected to charge their particular markup and not get sucked into the panic level buying price increase. I generally dislike retailers jacking up the price of the hard to find toy or whatever. That being said, it makes sense during times of crisis.

If a hurricane is going to hit all of Florida and the whole state has to evacuate, the first Georgian hotel should quadruple their rates so Bobby and Jane don't take three rooms for themselves, two kids, and in-laws. Because if they do that at normal rack rates, then Peggy and Jon won't have any rooms for their family and will have to keep driving.

It's up for debate as to whether ammo and gun parts are equivalent to housing during time of extreme weather. I figure if a retailer is getting X% markup all year long and are happy, they should continue to be happy during a crunch time at that markup. The downside is there's no inventory to sell so much like cash-for-clunkers it was really good for a few weeks and then died.

I dunno... retailers just run the risk of putting a bad taste in the mouths of their customers if they inflate prices just because they can. It is a double standard but will probably never change.

I really don't "bad mouth" any retailer for ANY pricing. As I have stated in many of my posts, this is a free market. The LGS can ask anything he wants for his firearms and ammo, fine with me. I hold no animosity, if he is too high priced on an item I can purchase elsewhere for less, I will buy elsewhere. If I can't buy it cheaper I MAY (if it is worth it to me) buy it from him. Now, if all his prices stay above the market price, I will quit shopping there and wasting my time. Usually they will go out of business. If he can sell to others at that price - more power to him. A GS is just like any other business - in business to make a PROFIT, if it doesn't it closes. So they - like any reasonably intelligent individual - are (and should) going to price and sell any item they own for the highest price they can obtain.
Just my opinion - I know some think the GS owner should be "loyal" to them, and sell below market prices - Neither the GS owner or I owe anything, including "loyalty" to each other. As long as they properly represent what they are selling and stand behind their merchandise, we will both be happy.

 

[bwframe]

What's wrong with discussing about the socialists among us? ...

...How are your actions any different than the liberal...

Wow, inferring that I am a socialist and a liberal?
I guess the name calling comes when you have difficulty defending your words. Eh?

 

[hornadylnl]

Wow, inferring that I am a socialist and a liberal?
I guess the name calling comes when you have difficulty defending your words. Eh?

I have no difficulty defending my words. I see you and others make demands or try to bully others while doing nothing other than talking. If you truly care about those who can't find ammo or guns, sell some of yours at prices that you think is fair for others. What do they call it when one expects others to do what they won't do themselves?

 

[CountryBoy19]

Wow, inferring that I am a socialist and a liberal?
I guess the name calling comes when you have difficulty defending your words. Eh?

I think the only one having trouble defending his words is you (and COLT556)... a bit ironic I guess...

When I saw that the latest reply here was by you, I was rather intrigued about "what great pearls of wisdom Burl has now"... guess I found out that there were none... just more senseless "discussing" by you...

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

I have no difficulty defending my words. I see you and others make demands or try to bully others while doing nothing other than talking. If you truly care about those who can't find ammo or guns, sell some of yours at prices that you think is fair for others. What do they call it when one expects others to do what they won't do themselves?

JMHO, Why would anyone sell anything less than you are willing to get for it. That makes zero sense at all. If i'm selling a used handgun and someone wants to pay me 1200 for it when it is only a 600 dollar gun, i'm not going to just give them 600. That is their own choice whether to make the purchase or not. Idk if you've noticed but none of the lgs's around me have jacked their ammo prices just because. in the last two weeks i've bought 9mm ammo for 11.15/50rd Tulammo and 14.99/50 rd WWB. If someone is stupid enough to pay the jacked up price because they think they need the product NOW, let them. If no one is willing to pay the price, then the prices will make their way back down. Supply/Deman. It's an econ 100 simple topic.

 

[bwframe]

I have no difficulty defending my words. I see you and others make demands or try to bully others while doing nothing other than talking. If you truly care about those who can't find ammo or guns, sell some of yours at prices that you think is fair for others. What do they call it when one expects others to do what they won't do themselves?

I think the only one having trouble defending his words is you (and COLT556)... a bit ironic I guess...

When I saw that the latest reply here was by you, I was rather intrigued about "what great pearls of wisdom Burl has now"... guess I found out that there were none... just more senseless "discussing" by you...

Wow. You guys are really upset about this discussion. huh?
Maybe you really are concerned about being perceived as taking advantage of fellow Hoosier gun owners?

 

[CountryBoy19]

JMHO, Why would anyone sell anything less than you are willing to get for it. That makes zero sense at all. If i'm selling a used handgun and someone wants to pay me 1200 for it when it is only a 600 dollar gun, i'm not going to just give them 600. That is their own choice whether to make the purchase or not. Idk if you've noticed but none of the lgs's around me have jacked their ammo prices just because. in the last two weeks i've bought 9mm ammo for 11.15/50rd Tulammo and 14.99/50 rd WWB. If someone is stupid enough to pay the jacked up price because they think they need the product NOW, let them. If no one is willing to pay the price, then the prices will make their way back down. Supply/Deman. It's an econ 100 simple topic.

That's what he is saying. Bwframe, Colt556, and others are advocating that anybody willing to sell things should be selling them at pre-panic pricing to be "nice" to people that need those things, yet those 2 aren't selling anything out of their personal collections to help ease the supply problems we're having right now. But they willingly attack those that are selling out of their personal stash at current market value to help others get the items they need at a price that satisfies both parties. It's asinine and moronic child's play if you ask me...

 

[hornadylnl]

Wow. You guys are really upset about this discussion. huh?
Maybe you really are concerned about being perceived as taking advantage of fellow Hoosier gun owners?

I'm not taking advantage of anyone as I'm not selling a damn thing. I'm also not on a pedestal claiming I'm helping the have nots while actually doing NOTHING to help increase the supply. Unless bullying sellers on the net is increasing supply.

 

[whitetailbowhunter]

That's what he is saying. Bwframe, Colt556, and others are advocating that anybody willing to sell things should be selling them at pre-panic pricing to be "nice" to people that need those things, yet those 2 aren't selling anything out of their personal collections to help ease the supply problems we're having right now. But they willingly attack those that are selling out of their personal stash at current market value to help others get the items they need at a price that satisfies both parties. It's asinine and moronic child's play if you ask me...

ahh gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.. i should've but didn't have the desire to read through this entire mess of a topic. but i completely agree.

 

[hornadylnl]

JMHO, Why would anyone sell anything less than you are willing to get for it. That makes zero sense at all. If i'm selling a used handgun and someone wants to pay me 1200 for it when it is only a 600 dollar gun, i'm not going to just give them 600. That is their own choice whether to make the purchase or not. Idk if you've noticed but none of the lgs's around me have jacked their ammo prices just because. in the last two weeks i've bought 9mm ammo for 11.15/50rd Tulammo and 14.99/50 rd WWB. If someone is stupid enough to pay the jacked up price because they think they need the product NOW, let them. If no one is willing to pay the price, then the prices will make their way back down. Supply/Deman. It's an econ 100 simple topic.

Apparently all that "I'm my brothers keeper" and "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" is bad in everything except gun ownership. There are those who have appointed themselves as market police to protect people from getting ripped off.

It's none of my business what agreement 2 willing parties come to if I'm not one of those willing parties. Therefore I don't stick my nose in their business. I'm just tired of the hypocrisy in those who complain about socialism but when it's an area that hits home, all of the sudden it's their business to get involved in others business.

 

[Colt556]

That's what he is saying. Bwframe, Colt556, and others are advocating that anybody willing to sell things should be selling them at pre-panic pricing to be "nice" to people that need those things, yet those 2 aren't selling anything out of their personal collections to help ease the supply problems we're having right now. But they willingly attack those that are selling out of their personal stash at current market value to help others get the items they need at a price that satisfies both parties. It's asinine and moronic child's play if you ask me...

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said to sell things at pre panic pricing. I said that the current situation is being fueled by greed and fear and that if people calmed down and waited it out things will stabilize at some point. As long as people just have to have items at any cost the cost will continue to rise. I also said that I could not make huge profits off of fellow shooters just because I had the opportunity. I have ammo I could sell at an insane profit but I won't because I would not feel right doing so. I even offered another member, that I don't even know, ammo for free so that they could test a new gun. You guys are the ones who started the name calling and finger pointing and dragging this thing out. Some people just like to argue and feel as if they are right no matter what. I'm not one of those people thank God. So you got me. You're right and I'm wrong. There, feel better now. Enjoy your day.