Is 2022 Elections going to be a Red Tidal Wave?

[LeftyGunner]

You know, talk of election fraud was well before Trump, right?

Yes, and it completely misses the point.

Most of us knew she was just being a sore loser, just like Trump.

The problem arises when followers believe their idol’s rhetoric over reality.

For example, let’s pretend there was a groundswell of support for Hillary following 2016 because a lie circulated among her most ardent supporters that the election had been rigged against her all along.

Now, in 2022, after years of buying into and spreading the lie that 2016 was an inside job, what tools do we actually have to combat the resulting entrenched narrative?

What set of election rules need to be changed to fix her followers belief that there was a conspiracy at work against them?

Again, I ask…what expert would they believe?

Although I see a wealth of potential benefits to increasing the transparency of our electoral process, I don’t think it fixes this problem.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I remember hitlary screaming about it.

...and Abrams and even back with Gore.

 

[dieselrealtor]

I remember hitlary screaming about it.

I believe Hillary was so stunned because her "victory" was supposed to be in the bag, all planned out & accounted for as it was for Obama's 2nd term. What they hadn't planned & accounted for in their vote manufacturing is the massive support Trump had at that time.

 

[Ingomike]

You know, talk of election fraud was well before Trump, right?

He does not, just regurgitates what he is told…

 

[buckwacker]

Yes, and it completely misses the point.

Most of us knew she was just being a sore loser, just like Trump.

The problem arises when followers believe their idol’s rhetoric over reality.

For example, let’s pretend there was a groundswell of support for Hillary following 2016 because a lie circulated among her most ardent supporters that the election had been rigged against her all along.

Now, in 2022, after years of buying into and spreading the lie that 2016 was an inside job, what tools do we actually have to combat the resulting entrenched narrative?

What set of election rules need to be changed to fix her followers belief that there was a conspiracy at work against them? Again, I ask…what expert would they believe?

Although I see a wealth of potential benefits to increasing the transparency of our electoral process, I don’t think it fixes this problem.

Do you not see an issue with the groundswell of support with the leftist lie that maga is a threat to democracy itself?

With regard to the election fraud\cheating subject, this is, and has been for years, a pretty universally held belief by conservatives. It's because there have been repeated cases of it provably, undeniably occurring at the hand of one particular party. Just like anything else, the passage of time allows one to "perfect" one's craft. Or do you think the Democrat party had a come to Jesus and realized what they were doing was wrong, repented, and swore it off, you know, for the sake of democracy?

The reason why the left is so desperate to destroy Trump over this claim is that NO top tier Republican politician or candidate had ever dared make the claim for fear of the treatment Trump has recieved, but he has made the claim, and unapologetically so. He has become become the voice for those that have known this goes on, but we're always silenced by the derision aimed at them by the political machines perpetuating it. And so they must destroy him for it, and once again demoralize those that know it's happening, relegating them to silence, so that they can continue stealing elections like they always have.

 

[nonobaddog]

What experts would be trusted?

Any Government-appointed “experts“ would be seen as Trojan horses for hidden political agendas, and any so-called private experts would be seen as agenda-friendly plants placed by the parties.

Since politics corrupts everything/everybody it touches we would need people that have not been ruined by politics. We could look for people that have not registered to vote for the last 20 years for starters. We could look to Finland and Iceland for help, they have many people that don't give a squat about American politics.

They wouldn't really need to be experts in voting security either, just have some related security experience such as in IT, banking, casinos, organized crime, etc.

 

[Ingomike]

I find it unconscionable that the same analytics and algorithms that are used as probable cause to initiate deep dive investigations into financial and securities fraud is not probable cause for election anomalies.

 

[nonobaddog]

How much of this issue is really incumbent upon our process? Our electoral system is already closely monitored by the government, the medias, and both parties, it seems unlikely that structural issues, especially those that might be exploited by one’s political opponents for real gain, would go unnoticed or unlitigated.

Poppycock

 

[Ingomike]

The reason why the left is so desperate to destroy Trump over this claim is that NO top tier Republican politician or candidate had ever dared make the claim for fear of the treatment Trump has recieved, but he has made the claim, and unapologetically so.

There is a club and Trump is not in it. Trump has no major entities funding his campaigns but himself. He does not have to sell his soul to Club For Growth for money. That is what they hate most about Trump, he is not beholden to them for anything.

Desantis seems like a sharp guy but he does not have money. He must get money to run. So while it is unlikely there are major skeletons in his closet he will be beholden to big money if he wins. They know where all the dirt there is to know about Desantis, he has had background checks all his adult life.

I guarantee that if there truly was a real dirt on Trump, they would not have been forced to put out collusion and pee pee tapes stories nor impeach him for investigating the Bidet crimes.

Those here supporting the left have abandoned common sense for the narrative produced by TPTB…

 

[LeftyGunner]

Poppycock

Showing actual evidence that a candidate engaged in election-altering fraud would be a game-changer here.

These guys watch each other like hawks at every level of the game, it doesn’t pass the sniff test that widespread fraud goes undetected.

That really only leaves the idea that both sides are complicit in the fraud, and their shared liability will impose secrecy and cooperation.

If the parties had that, well…I don’t think they’d be able to contain themselves. I think they’d put it to use in any court available to them, including the court of public opinion, as soon as it was seen as politically useful to them.

 

[Ingomike]

I find it unconscionable that the same analytics and algorithms that are used as probable cause to initiate deep dive investigations into financial and securities fraud is not probable cause for election anomalies.

Showing actual evidence that a candidate engaged in election-altering fraud would be a game-changer here.

As usual left pushing for the highest standards not the same standards we use in other situations. Actually the RICO statutes should be invoked against the democrat party.

 

[buckwacker]

Showing actual evidence that a candidate engaged in election-altering fraud would be a game-changer here.

These guys watch each other like hawks at every level of the game, it doesn’t pass the sniff test that widespread fraud goes undetected.

That really only leaves the idea that both sides are complicit in the fraud, and their shared liability will impose secrecy and cooperation.

If the parties had that, well…I don’t think they’d be able to contain themselves. I think they’d put it to use in any court available to them, including the court of public opinion, as soon as it was seen as politically useful to them.

Can you explain why when someone is caught doing fraudulent election things, there is a unified chorus of voices plying us with over the top assurances that this is a one-off, not a systemic problem, and there is no need to look deeper? Whatever you do, don't look behind the curtain. If the left is so certain there is no fraud, why are they so vociferous in their insistence that we don't look, castigating anyone who wants to an election denier? If there is no fraud, wouldn't it serve the interests of the left for the right to be publicly proven wrong repeatedly, thereby completely destroying their credibility with the public? The fact that they wouldn't welcome this is curious, wouldn't you say?

 

[Ingomike]

That really only leaves the idea that both sides are complicit in the fraud, and their shared liability will impose secrecy and cooperation.

Yep, we agree. Look at Ohio redistricting. The repubs and dems conspired to eliminate the safe Trump supported MAGA representative. The blood feud between dems and repubs is an illusion created by the parties. And only idiots do not understand we live in a highly technological world and everything is different than 20 years ago.

 

[LeftyGunner]

He does not, just regurgitates what he is told…

Potent criticism from a gateway pundit parrot, I’ll take it for all the value it has.

 

[Ingomike]

Potent criticism from a gateway pundit parrot, I’ll take it for all the value it has.

Not everyone has the ability to discern what is true and what is not. You probably believe everything those that brought us collusion and pee pee tapes for years…

 

[LeftyGunner]

Not everyone has the ability to discern what is true and what is not. You probably believe everything those that brought us collusion and pee pee tapes for years…

That‘s a difficult thing to admit about yourself, Mike…so props to you for the self-awareness.

 

[Ingomike]

That‘s a difficult thing to admit about yourself, Mike…so props to you for the self-awareness.

 

[actaeon277]

Wasn't just Clinton screaming about election fraud.
And it was for FOUR years we heard about it.

So
Once again.
If BOTH parties have made claims..
WHY is NOTHING done?

Other than ignoring it when they are in power.

 

[Ingomike]

That‘s a difficult thing to admit about yourself, Mike…so props to you for the self-awareness.

 

[LeftyGunner]

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Mike, self-pity is counterproductive…can I help?